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Astreja said:
How, exactly, can a god be "idolatrous"? What would a god need with an idol?
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Like RandFan, I'll speculate. According to Mormonism, the goody-two-shoes among us get their own universe, right? Well, there's this one universe where everything is going swimmingly. It's Camelot writ large. GOD has written a clear, concise life manual. He visits every day in plain ordinary work clothes to chat with anyone who has questions. During Friday Happy Hour the suds flow freely. He only smites wise-ass kids who skateboard on public sidewalks. What's not to like.

So the other gods idolize him for the job he's doing. But it's also true that they are pissed at him. He makes the other members of the god squad look bad. So anger and idolatry all in one. Sound familiar?
 
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SezMe said:
Like RandFan, I'll speculate. According to Mormonism, the goody-two-shoes among us get their own universe, right? Well, there's this one universe where everything is going swimmingly. It's Camelot writ large. GOD has written a clear, concise life manual. He visits every day in plain ordinary work clothes to chat with anyone who has questions. During Friday Happy Hour the suds flow freely. He only smites wise-ass kids who skateboard on public sidewalks. What's not to like.

So the other gods idolize him for the job he's doing. But it's also true that they are pissed at him. He's make the other members of the god squad look bad. So anger and idolatry all in one. Sound familiar?
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:D I like it.
 
skyrider44 said:
So by your "lights," mocking and denigrating the religious beliefs of another qualifies as enlightened, mature "discussion." Furthermore, legitimate skeptics are fully enfranchised to do just that--right?
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I'd like to say one more thing on this, your religious beliefs are precious to you because your religious beliefs are a self replicating meme that protect themselves by rewiring the brain.

When the Lancet Fluke parasite infects an ant it rewires the brain of the ant so that the ant will climb to the top of a blade of grass where it can be eaten by a ruminant. It does so because that is the only way a fluke can continue its life cycle so that it can perpetuate its genes.

The same is true of toxoplasma. Toxo will rewire the brain of a mouse so that the mouse will not fear cats. It does so because the life cycle of Toxo can only take place in the gut of something other than the mouse.

Religions like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Budhism are evolutionary fit. Like parasites, viruses and bacteria, religions exist primarily to perpetuate themselves.
 
Janadele said:
'Kolob' is a term found in ancient records translated by the Prophet Joseph Smith. Mentioned in Abraham 3.3
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Slowvehicle said:
So, which is it: "star" or "planet", and why would either be mentioned in standard Egyptian funerary texts; texts in which no one else has ever found any mention of either?
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This is the crux of the question, isn't it?
Never, among the literature left us by the AE, has a reference to Kolob been found.
It exists only in the scam Smith foisted on the gullible.



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Janadele said:
'Kolob' is a term found in ancient records translated by the Prophet Joseph Smith. Mentioned in Abraham 3.3
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That's weird, that post originally said "Fools mock, but they shall mourn." Now it reads as above.

Is it not a little dishonest to completely change a post, especially after it has been responded to?
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Janadele, this is now the third time you been called to task for this practice.
Would you please stop doing this?


Janadele said:
No dafydd, I mean nothing of the kind.

The Book of Abraham is Holy Scripture containing the word of the Lord to His Prophet Abraham.
https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/Volume...ng-astronomy-and-egyptians-approach-abraham-3
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Thanks for the link, Janadele.
It does sound more like astrology than astronomy.
Isn't astrology one of the things God hates?

Janadele said:
I do not consider there is ANY evidence that the Book of Abraham is not the word of God, nor could there be.

The "mindless repeating" is from those who continually mock and insult Holy Scripture of which they have no knowledge nor understanding.
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Janadele, we understand a scam when we see its structure laid out before our eyes.
 
I've moved the discussion about menthal helth comparisons between atheists and thiests to another thread.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis
 
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RandFan said:
God killed innocent children. The flood and the first born of Egypt.
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Janadele said:
Free agency is an integral part of Eternal Law. The suffering of the innocent is a consequence of the choices and actions of the causal perpetrators, whose actions brought the evil which incurred the wrath of God. It is the wicked who have transgressed Eternal Law NOT God. The innocent may suffer for a short space of time, but their reward will be Eternal, and in contrast to the punishment of the wicked.
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I know I'm a couple of days late, but I can't let this go by.

What choice or action, transgressing Eternal Law, was the cause of the Tenth Plague? In your answer, please take into account that Pharaoh several times was ready to release the Hebrews, but God "hardened his heart."

How about the Slaughter of the Innocents, which Matthew says happened to fulfil a prophecy of Jeremiah? Sure, that was Herod's act, but wouldn't it have been better for God to just not give that prophecy to Jeremiah in the first place?
 
poblob14 said:
What choice or action, transgressing Eternal Law, was the cause of the Tenth Plague? In your answer, please take into account that Pharaoh several times was ready to release the Hebrews, but God "hardened his heart."[/I
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Biblical Mistranslation.

The Lord did not harden Pharaohs heart. Pharaoh choose to harden his own heart... and the consequence followed.

Exodus 5–6. Moses and Aaron ask Pharaoh to free Israel, but Pharaoh refuses and places greater burdens on the people (5:1–23). The Lord promises to fulfill the covenant he made with Abraham (6:1–8).

Chapters 7–10 tell of Moses approaching Pharaoh many more times, asking him to free Israel. Despite many signs, wonders, and plagues, Pharaoh refuses.

The Joseph Smith Translation of these chapters reads “Pharaoh hardened his heart.”
 
Janadele said:
Biblical Mistranslation.

The Lord did not harden Pharaohs heart. Pharaoh choose to harden his own heart... and the consequence followed.

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What's this all about then?


Exodus 9:12

And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.​


Janadele said:
The Joseph Smith Translation of these chapters reads “Pharaoh hardened his heart.”
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Of course it does, but then, Smith was:

  1. an inveterate liar, and

  2. incapable of translating anything other than English --> Gobbledigook.
 
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Janadele said:
Joseph Smith was a Prophet, Seer and Revelator of the Lord Jesus Christ... and as such received Heavenly guidance, inspiration and Revelation.
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If only there were some evidence to support this assertion of yours. Instead, we just have the clear evidence of all of his errors.
 
Janadele said:
Akuma Tennou said:
...Was Joseph Smith as skilled in ancient Hebrew or Latin as he was in hieroglyphs?
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Joseph Smith was a Prophet, Seer and Revelator of the Lord Jesus Christ... and as such received Heavenly guidance, inspiration and Revelation.
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Meaning that his 'Egyptian' dictionary would have been of great use in translating many other AE documents.

Please provide examples of this having been done.

Or perhaps you'd prefer to explain Smith's obvious and abysmal lack of knowledge about matters ancient Egyptian as demonstrated in this post.

Or just post the hieroglyph that represents 'Kolob'.
 
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Janadele said:
Biblical Mistranslation.

The Lord did not harden Pharaohs heart. Pharaoh choose to harden his own heart... and the consequence followed.

Exodus 5–6. Moses and Aaron ask Pharaoh to free Israel, but Pharaoh refuses and places greater burdens on the people (5:1–23). The Lord promises to fulfill the covenant he made with Abraham (6:1–8).

Chapters 7–10 tell of Moses approaching Pharaoh many more times, asking him to free Israel. Despite many signs, wonders, and plagues, Pharaoh refuses.

The Joseph Smith Translation of these chapters reads “Pharaoh hardened his heart.”
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...and J.Smith's "translation" of The Breathing Permit of Horus claims that idolatrous gods tried to kill Abraham in Egypt. No actual scholars agree with either of J.Smith's versions.
 
Akuma Tennou said:
Sorry I'm new here. Was Joseph Smith as skilled in ancient Hebrew or Latin as he was in hieroglyphs?
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J.Smith's skills in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, and Greek were easily the equal of his skills in hieroglyphics; and matched only by his grasp of the pre-Colombian history of the Americas.

ETA: double-ninja-ed by Zooterkin and Foster Zygote...

ETA: And Pharaoh, for the hat trick!
 
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