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tsig said:
Of course, the abusive parents were born knowing they were going to be abusive parents and the parents of the abusive parents knew they were going to give birth to abusive parents.

Is there a turtle down there somewhere?
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Well, I'm not sure that's quite right. You know what's going to happen to you, but not how you'll react to it. So you know you'll be born to abusive parents, and choose that life, but you're still responsible for how you turn out. So you're not only responsible for your own bad living conditions because you chose them before you were born, but you're also responsible for responding to them in a less-than-stellar way. Mormonism is rather strong on blame.

As for the turtles all the way down, I always thought that was particularly apt for Mormonism. Because of their multiple-god business, it's not turtles all the way down, but it is, quite literally, gods all the way back.
 
The answers have already been given previously.

We chose to come to this earth to receive our mortal body, knowing the hardships which may befall us. Yet we confidently came, in order to progress through the eternities according to Eternal Law and receive an immortal resurrected body in which our Spiritual body will dwell.

Free agency to choose good or evil and therefore reap the consequences thereof is our trial. This must be allowed to be so for all, in order to enable judgement and rewards.

Immorality, evil and wickedness has always been against Eternal Law and the Gospel of Jesus Christ... and always will be, and has never been condoned or accepted by God.
 
Janadele said:
Immorality, evil and wickedness has always been against Eternal Law and the Gospel of Jesus Christ... and always will be, and has never been condoned or accepted by God.
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Why did it make them then?

You know, like it says in the fairytale . . .


Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.​
 
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Janadele said:
The answers have already been given previously.

We chose to come to this earth to receive our mortal body, knowing the hardships which may befall us. Yet we confidently came, in order to progress through the eternities according to Eternal Law and receive an immortal resurrected body in which our Spiritual body will dwell.

Free agency to choose good or evil and therefore reap the consequences thereof is our trial. This must be allowed to be so for all, in order to enable judgement and rewards.

Immorality, evil and wickedness has always been against Eternal Law and the Gospel of Jesus Christ... and always will be, and has never been condoned or accepted by God.
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Why? Isn't your god omnipotent? If he knows what we'll do already, why do we have to do it? Why not skip the whole earth thing, and head right to our reward or punishment?

Didn't your god know everything before he created it? Why did he create beings that would do the wrong thing? Why didn't he just create good creatures, and refuse to create the bad ones? If he created us knowing we were going to do something wrong before he created us, what we do wrong is his fault. As usual, he's incompetent.

ETA: Ninja'ed and, as usual, more succinctly, by the Great Pharaoh.
 
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Janadele said:
Re questions asked regarding KOLOB: {snip links}
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Janadele, I'm not debating with your links; I'm debating with you.

I ask again: Is Kolob a star or a planet? In your own words and in your own opinion, which is it?
 
Astreja said:
Janadele, I'm not debating with your links; I'm debating with you.

I ask again: Is Kolob a star or a planet? In your own words and in your own opinion, which is it?
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To be honest, I'm not sure why you keep trying to get any legitimate response from this person, especially after weeks and weeks of non-answers, evasions, phony coyness and/or outrage, and now a new way of trolling by editing posts into something completely different, knowing full well that they'd be quoted by members before the edit.
 
Janadele said:
The answers have already been given previously.

We chose to come to this earth to receive our mortal body, knowing the hardships which may befall us. Yet we confidently came, in order to progress through the eternities according to Eternal Law and receive an immortal resurrected body in which our Spiritual body will dwell.

Free agency to choose good or evil and therefore reap the consequences thereof is our trial. This must be allowed to be so for all, in order to enable judgement and rewards.

Immorality, evil and wickedness has always been against Eternal Law and the Gospel of Jesus Christ... and always will be, and has never been condoned or accepted by God.
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I am sure that there are fora from which such preachment would get you a hearty, "amen!"...but this is not those fora. There is no evidence upon which your superstition is based. None.

You are welcome to it, but it is risible to watch you pretend that anyone else ought to find it meaningful...
 
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Janadele said:
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Immorality, evil and wickedness has always been against Eternal Law and the Gospel of Jesus Christ... and always will be, and has never been condoned or accepted by God.
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Interesting since Smith and Young didn't seem to so much have a problem with immorality as reveled in it. They were certainly big fans of certain kinds of immortality. They seemed particularly enamored with the kind of immorality that required an abortionist to destroy the evidence of.
 
Janadele said:
The Lord did not harden Pharaohs heart. Pharaoh choose to harden his own heart... and the consequence followed.
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And killing the children?

God on Trial said:
Akiba: Did the mothers of Egypt find that Adoni was just [for killing their first born children]?
Schmidt: But Adoni is our god.
Akiba: Did god not make the Egyptians? If not him then who? Some other god?
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Janadele said:
The answers have already been given previously.

We chose to come to this earth to receive our mortal body, knowing the hardships which may befall us. Yet we confidently came, in order to progress through the eternities according to Eternal Law and receive an immortal resurrected body in which our Spiritual body will dwell.

Free agency to choose good or evil and therefore reap the consequences thereof is our trial. This must be allowed to be so for all, in order to enable judgement and rewards.

Immorality, evil and wickedness has always been against Eternal Law and the Gospel of Jesus Christ... and always will be, and has never been condoned or accepted by God.
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This does not answer the questions.
 
Janadele said:
Immorality, evil and wickedness has always been against Eternal Law and the Gospel of Jesus Christ... and always will be, and has never been condoned or accepted by God.
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Are you talking about the god who supposedly created everything, including evil, to begin with?

If he didn't create evil, who did, and what use is god's plan without evil, satan, et al?

Was that god who condoned Job's troubles?

Is that the god who destroyed all mankind, because he made a mistake?

Was that god who was visiting with "his sons", when his "son satan" came by to talk about Job?

Janadele, there is no god, or devils, or ultimate struggles between good and evil. These things are figments of your feverish, gullible mind.
 
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Empress said:
That's one of the great victim-blaming bits about Mormonism that really, really gets to me.

In their theology, we all lived in this Pre-Mortal existence, and we knew exactly what was going to happen to us here in this life.
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Apparently then, you, Empress, knew about the pain and anguish to come resulting from having to read over 100 pages of this manure before popping into morality and yet chose to soldier on anyway. You go girl!! :)
 
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