Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend

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Jack by the hedge said:
"Police say neighbours heard screaming and shouting around the time of the shooting, and that they had been called to investigate incidents of a domestic nature at the same house in the past."
...makes me wonder.
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CNN and other news outlets are also insinuating this crap of being a wifebeater or whatever. You'll however find a police statement that there were no incidents between Pistorius and Steenkamp and a little digging reveals that the incident of "domestic nature" is this one:

Neighbours rally in support of Blade Runner

September 19 2009 at 08:36am

By Sameer Naik

Residents and management of Silverlakes Country Estate, an upmarket housing development east of Pretoria, closed ranks in support of Paralympic hero Oscar Pistorius this week.

Pistorius was arrested last Saturday at a braai at his home on the estate after 19-year-old Casseby Taylor Memory alleged he had assaulted her.

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Further crap rumors circulating is that Steenkamp was cheating on him, digging shallowly again quickly reveals this concerns Pistorius' girlfriend Samantha Taylor in 2011 and does not involve violence against women, if the event is real at all and not more tabloid crap. But when someone falls of a pedestal, people just love a good lynch party.
 
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Yeah, I agree that the whole "Look at this dirtbag's attitude to women" sounds like garbage to me.

I think too often there's a desire to look at someone's psychohistory or social behaviour and convict them of that rather than the thing that person has been arrested for in the first place.

It seems a bit like Camus' The Stranger where a guy who shot and killed an Arab for no particular reason is going to be let off and set free if he can show himself to be a generally good person. But when they find out that he didn't mourn his mother when she died and instead sat over her dead body smoking cigarettes they're so disgusted with him that they execute him.
 
There is the matter of a neighbor having allegedly heard sounds like arguing before the shooting.

It's a young case; let's see what happens.
 
BenBurch said:
He has a history, though, and it's not flattering.
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A relevant history of violence against his or previous girlfriends or is character assassination - driving and crashing fast cars, being rude to reporters - a tool for establishing guilt?

EDIT: Angrysoba beat me to it
 
Rolfe said:
Except, it seems this may have been a firearm used for murder, with an attempted defence of "home defence".

Interesting.

Rolfe.
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His girlfriend was looking forward to Valentine's Day, a report of a previous "domestic incident" has been incorrectly presented as "a history of domestic violence" by the media and reports of cheating are attributed to the wrong girlfriend and police itself confirms there were no prior reported incidents between him and his girlfriend. It does not seem that way AT ALL.
 
Even if there is no history that doesn't preclude him killing her.

Look I believe in innocent until guilty. So I think we should let the process just do what it does.
 
BenBurch said:
A history of domestic calls to this same address and recently.
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You have a list? Or one event involving a possibly drunk person qualifies as "a history"? You are speaking of calls, plural, to his address?
 
Travis said:
Even if there is no history that doesn't preclude him killing her.
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She was looking forward to Valentine's Day. Her tweets are online and can be read. What you suggest as possible, is that he shot deliberately her out of the blue for an issue she didn't even know about. Possible maybe, probable, no.
 
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Travis said:
Even if there is no history that doesn't preclude him killing her.
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Yes, I agree which is why I said it is irrelevant. Is there any doubt that he killed her? We know she is dead. Killed with his gun. I thought the only question was whether it was deliberate or not. I think that the fact she had been shot four times with one shot in the hand suggests a deliberate killing.
 
BenBurch said:
No, the Beeb was. Go take it up with them.
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BBC: Officers added that there had been previous incidents at the address and described them as "allegations of a domestic nature".
CNN: A police spokeswoman said there had been "previous incidents" at the home, including "allegations of a domestic nature." They did not detail what those may be.

The incident with the door.

CNN: Police are not aware of any prior incidents between Pistorius and Steenkamp, Van der Merwe said.
 
In South African newspapers I read the girlfriend was found behind the bathroom door, not at the entrance, and that two hours before the shooting police and security of the estate had gone to the neighbors due to noise complaints of an argument between the two. So that and the four bullets does make it look like murder, not the other disinfo. Anyway, we'll see.
 
Well, I'll bet £ 1 he killed her intentionally. I still can't imagine someone blasting away at a shadowy figure on the off-chance it's an intruder.
 
Travis said:
Even if there is no history that doesn't preclude him killing her.

Look I believe in innocent until guilty. So I think we should let the process just do what it does.
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But this is the interwebs and battle lines must be drawn and defended at all costs!
 
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