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I seem to recall reading that the house in Italy was another of Botha's tricks used to paint OP as a flight risk and deny him bail but which was proven false.

I looked it up and you're correct - but I wouldn't call it a trick exactly. Botha got his information from an interview with Oscar in the February issue of Sarie magazine:

"I have for the past two years had a house in Gemona, Italy. I stay there for four months a year because it is where I practise," Pistorius was quoted as saying in the Afrikaans magazine Sarie's February edition.
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Pistorius had said in the interview: "My house is nestled in the mountains, where it is quiet and peaceful."

But Urbani said every time Pistorius visited the town, he booked into a hotel.

He said claims that a track and gymnasium had been built specifically for Pistorius were also not true.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/02/26/oscar-vs-mayor

Botha erred in believing Oscar told the truth in the interview.

As for the audio clip the best I can get out of it is “I wanted to ask Reeva why-i-i she's phoning the police.” I don't recall dancing with glee – it just struck me as odd. And even if you are correct and he said “why – if” it's still odd to me.

If flaccon was still around she could probably clear it up.
 
OP didn't assume there was just one intruder. As early as his bail affidavit he claimed to have thought there could be more than one, i.e.:
"I noticed that the bathroom window was open. I realised that the intruder/s was/were in the toilet because the toilet door was closed... "​
and during testimony he spoke of "intruders" telling how he had to dart looks between the toilet door and the bathroom window scared there could be intruder/s on a ladder, i.e.:
Then it makes even less sense to me he would leave his girl friend alone in the bedroom, except for the fact:
<snip>
Botha erred in believing Oscar told the truth in the interview. <snip>
He's a proven liar. :(
 
I looked it up and you're correct - but I wouldn't call it a trick exactly. Botha got his information from an interview with Oscar in the February issue of Sarie magazine:



http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/02/26/oscar-vs-mayor

Botha erred in believing Oscar told the truth in the interview.

As for the audio clip the best I can get out of it is “I wanted to ask Reeva why-i-i she's phoning the police.” I don't recall dancing with glee – it just struck me as odd. And even if you are correct and he said “why – if” it's still odd to me.

If flaccon was still around she could probably clear it up.
I also think the transcription of the printed interview is not literal (they rarely are), so there could be misinterpretation by the magazine. Doubly so if the interview was translated from Afrikaans.
 
I also think the transcription of the printed interview is not literal (they rarely are), so there could be misinterpretation by the magazine. Doubly so if the interview was translated from Afrikaans.

The Times Live article even points out as much -

"House" and "home" could both be translated into huis in Afrikaans. The original interview was published in Afrikaans.

This daily mail article includes quotes from the Gemona mayor about the training facilities, which were clearly upgraded significantly to attract Pistorius.

Looks like minor differences in use of language and interpretation being turned in to "liar!"
 
I also think the transcription of the printed interview is not literal (they rarely are), so there could be misinterpretation by the magazine. Doubly so if the interview was translated from Afrikaans.

Ah, okay, I think I get the confusion of huis meaning house or home. I ran the Sarie magazine article through Google Translate to see the context.

The question was: Hoe gereeld is jy by die huis? Which Google translated to: How often are you at home?

His answer: Ek is so vier maande van die jaar in Suid-Afrika. Die afgelope twee jaar het ek ’n huis in Gemona, Italië, waar ek vier maande van die jaar bly omdat ek daar oefen. My huis daar is tussen die berge en dis so rustig en stil.

Google translated that to: I was about four months of the year in South Africa. The past two years I have a house in Gemona, Italy, where I spent four months of the year living because I exercise. My house is there between the mountains and it was so peaceful and quiet.

So I think an Afrikaans speaker would have understood that to mean something like a home away from home vs. an English speaker roughly translating it to mean a physical house. Am I understanding it correctly?
 
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Ah, okay, I think I get the confusion of huis meaning house or home. I ran the Sarie magazine article through Google Translate to see the context.

The question was: Hoe gereeld is jy by die huis? Which Google translated to: How often are you at home?

His answer: Ek is so vier maande van die jaar in Suid-Afrika. Die afgelope twee jaar het ek ’n huis in Gemona, Italië, waar ek vier maande van die jaar bly omdat ek daar oefen. My huis daar is tussen die berge en dis so rustig en stil.

Google translated that to: I was about four months of the year in South Africa. The past two years I have a house in Gemona, Italy, where I spent four months of the year living because I exercise. My house is between the mountains and it's so peaceful and quiet.

So I think an Afrikaans speaker would have understood that to mean something like a home away from home vs. an English speaker roughly translating it to mean a physical house. Am I understanding it correctly?

Correct.

A more accurate translation follows:

Ek is so vier maande van die jaar in Suid-Afrika. Die afgelope twee jaar het ek ’n huis in Gemona, Italië, waar ek vier maande van die jaar bly omdat ek daar oefen. My huis daar is tussen die berge en dis so rustig en stil.

I spend about 4 months of the year in South Africa. For the last 2 years I've had a house in Gemona, Italy where I live for 4 months of the year because I train there. My house is nestled in the mountains and it's relaxed and quiet there.
 
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Correct.

A more accurate translation follows:

Ek is so vier maande van die jaar in Suid-Afrika. Die afgelope twee jaar het ek ’n huis in Gemona, Italië, waar ek vier maande van die jaar bly omdat ek daar oefen. My huis daar is tussen die berge en dis so rustig en stil.

I spend about 4 months of the year in South Africa. For the last 2 years I've had a house in Gemona, Italy where I live for 4 months of the year because I train there. My house is nestled in the mountains and it's relaxed and quiet there.

Thanks for the additional translation, I appreciate it. So it seems it's not about “house” and “home” being interchangeable but more more likely that the magazine used an interpreter who made a mistake, as elgarak suggested.

I thought Oscar spoke Afrikaans – in a 2009 book he said he was half-Afrikaans and was “decent” in speaking the language. I now take it to mean that he actually only knew a couple of phrases and therefore conducted the Sarie Magazine interview in English, using an interpreter.
 
Thanks for the additional translation, I appreciate it. So it seems it's not about “house” and “home” being interchangeable but more more likely that the magazine used an interpreter who made a mistake, as elgarak suggested.

I thought Oscar spoke Afrikaans – in a 2009 book he said he was half-Afrikaans and was “decent” in speaking the language. I now take it to mean that he actually only knew a couple of phrases and therefore conducted the Sarie Magazine interview in English, using an interpreter.

That is extremely unlikely. Oscar is almost certainly fully bilingual in Afrikaans and English. "White" schools schools under apartheid mandated students take English and Afrikaans to matric (grade 12) and if you fail either language you fail the year. He was probably interviewed in English and the journalist would have translated his responses herself.

Afrikaans isn't by any means a minority language in this country. Just about everyone has it as a second language.
 
I looked it up and you're correct - but I wouldn't call it a trick exactly. Botha got his information from an interview with Oscar in the February issue of Sarie magazine:



(Respectfully ✄ link since new posters aren't permitted to include links before 15 posts)

Botha erred in believing Oscar told the truth in the interview.


Your link doesn't work for me but no problema since no need to break my arm for me to believe Botha could have erred in believing what OP said in an interview to the press and then used it in court!

As for the audio clip the best I can get out of it is “I wanted to ask Reeva why-i-i she's phoning the police.” I don't recall dancing with glee – it just struck me as odd. And even if you are correct and he said “why – if” it's still odd to me.


In respect of the audio and what OP says I didn't mean it as an opinion since OP definitely vocalises the word "if". For some, whether for professional or other reasons, the aspirated "f" is quite audible, for others good equipment, looping, and slowing it down can make it easier to discern. And as I noted before, had OP said "... I wanted to ask Reeva why she's phoning the police... ", in any shape or form, if not Nel directly observing OP, one of his team would have picked it up either at the time or when going over the video/transcript that evening and Nel would have hammered it at OP the same or next day as too good to lose. And even the transcript of OP's testimony uploaded for Bateman's book (sorry no link because of the limitation) transcribes it as "if", as per:

(page 534 of 599)
Screaming? Why would you scream? Why would you scream out? --
- I was scared. I wanted to [intervenes]
Scream? --- I asked Reeva why... if she is phoning the police.

And although not this mistake which they have correct, Bateman's transcriber makes several errors of transcription even in that tiny piece, among them OP uses the abbreviation "she's" and not "she is", and Nel vocalises "sca(r)..." (phonetically, [sceəʳ]) not "scream" as transcribed, nor even "screa..." when he intervenes. A doddle to differentiate by lipreading Nel as he speaks since "scream" uses an "open smile" long vowel while "scared" uses a "jaw drop" short one. IMO Nel was likely going to interject, "Scared !?" in his usual quizzical style but cut short to allow OP to finish.

In respect of "dancing with glee" I wasn't referring to this blog which compared with others stands as a welcome oasis of calm and concordia where debate is still the name of the game and where it has been a pleasure to lurk reading for some time before deciding to join, so no, no allusion nor offence intended towards you or any other here.

If flaccon was still around she could probably clear it up.

Who is flaccon?
 
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Who is flaccon?

Flaccon was (is?) a forum member who believed that spirits of some description were communicating with her, mainly via sound files and Youtube videos on her PC.
She would hear a lot of things in these clips that most other forum members interpreted differently to her. Very differently.
 
Flaccon was (is?) a forum member who believed that spirits of some description were communicating with her, mainly via sound files and Youtube videos on her PC.
She would hear a lot of things in these clips that most other forum members interpreted differently to her. Very differently.

Ah, I ceee... Thanks for the info. I would hope my professional experience working with moving image and sound stretched a tad further than hearing ghosts in the machine. And not sure Apple would allow it on a Mac anyway!
 
Ah, I ceee... Thanks for the info. I would hope my professional experience working with moving image and sound stretched a tad further than hearing ghosts in the machine. And not sure Apple would allow it on a Mac anyway!

Sorry ghosts, you're not using an approved Apple product. Please desist from your infiltration or we will be forced to take legal action.
 
Pistorius didn't even seem to have a defence against the ammo charge.
His father didn't testify and he didn't offer any other evidence to support his claims, but even if he had, he should still have been convicted.
Really bizarre decision.
 
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