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Janadele says: Read the Scriptures :D

Here's some scripture:

2 Nephi 5:21-24

21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.

24 And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey.

Do you believe that dark skin is a punishment from God? Do you think that it angers God when a "white" person has children with someone who has "a skin of blackness"? Do you believe that dark skinned people are idle, and full of mischief and subtlety?
 
There is more than one "Adam", and more than one Universe. This however is not our concern, our concern is with this earth, and with the parts of the Gospel of Jesus Christ which pertain to it, and which are necessary for our individual progression.

True, above all the universe is concerned with our individual progression.

Why just this morning I was asked if I'd be OK with me if this day would be Wednesday.
 
James E. Talmage wrote: "it is plain that, while many of those belonging to the Ten Tribes were diffused among the nations, a sufficient number to justify the retention of the original name were led away as a body and are now in existence in some place where the Lord has hidden them." At both the April and October 1916 General Conferences James E. Talmage spoke of the Lost Ten Tribes: "There is a tendency among men to explain away what they don't wish to understand in literal simplicity. True, the gathering is in progress, this is a gathering dispensation; but the Prophecy stands that the tribes shall be brought forth from their hiding place... and their Scriptures shall become one with the Scriptures of the Jews, the Holy Bible, and with the Scriptures of the Nephites, the Book of Mormon, and with the Scriptures of the Latter-day Saints as embodied in the volumes of modern revelation."

Seems to be a lot of different revelations going around nowadays.
 
Here's some scripture:



Do you believe that dark skin is a punishment from God? Do you think that it angers God when a "white" person has children with someone who has "a skin of blackness"? Do you believe that dark skinned people are idle, and full of mischief and subtlety?

Malicious melanin?
 
Janadele says: Read the Scriptures :D

Esdras says: "God stilled the flood to enable the tribes passage to the north countries, and that God will do it again to enable their return."
That correlates with D&C 133 "and they shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence".

I have read them. No burning in the bosom here, in fact I felt a distinct dampness of the spirit as if an evil entity were trying to take over my mind.
 
Janadele says: Read the Scriptures :D
Janadele appears to mean: Stop thinking for yourself. :rolleyes:

Esdras says: "God stilled the flood to enable the tribes passage to the north countries, and that God will do it again to enable their return."
That correlates with D&C 133 "and they shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence".

Yes, yes. Very good. Jews on the rocks. We heard it. Now do you think that mention of ice means they must be hiding in the arctic?
 
Yet more tiresome preaching...

Are all LDS members brainwashed human robots unable to have an actual discussion but simply programmed to push their cult's beliefs, like you appear to be?

Do you really think you are convincing anybody, rather than simply turning people even more away from all that crap?
Don't forget Cat Tale, who seems able to be a Mormon without being a brainwashed robot.
 
Janadele says: Read the Scriptures :D

Esdras says: "God stilled the flood to enable the tribes passage to the north countries, and that God will do it again to enable their return."
That correlates with D&C 133 "and they shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence".

Upon what do you base your incorrect supposition that I have not done so?

Please be so kind as to tell me, in your opinion, when the "Eve" and "Adam" of this universe lived.

Please be so kind as to tell me, in your opinion, when the Global Deluge happened in this universe.

Please be so kind as to provide a citation to the "International Internet Laws" to which you have referred.

...preferably in a substantive, informational manner, without veiled insult.

Thanks in advance...
 
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At both the April and October 1916 General Conferences James E. Talmage spoke of the Lost Ten Tribes:

Talmage also said something else at the October 1916 Conference. The following is from the Old Testament student manual at lds.org.

Then in October conference Elder Talmage spoke again of the lost tribes and made this remarkable prediction: “The ten tribes shall come; they are not lost unto the Lord; they shall be brought forth as hath been predicted; and I say unto you there are those now living—aye, some here present—who shall live to read the records of the Lost Tribes of Israel, which shall be made one with the record of the Jews, or the Holy Bible, and the record of the Nephites, or the Book of Mormon, even as the Lord hath predicted” (in Conference Report, Oct. 1916, p. 76; emphasis added).

I could just leave that quote hanging there, but I can't resist commenting.

One, it makes the basic mistake of naming both an event and a time, so it's easily proven wrong. What they teach in Prophetry 101 is you should do it like this: "This generation shall see great things never before seen but we can't reveal exactly what." Or: "The lost tribes will come floating back on an iceberg but we can't reveal exactly when." Either one can't be disproven, but Talmage's can simply be waited out, and I think we're just about there, since even babies at the conference would be close to a hundred years old now.

Can't really blame him, though. Jesus, among other prophets, made the same mistake in Mark 31:30: "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done." It's just such a tempting way to make one's listeners feel special.

But also, in one sense, the prediction has come true. A quick google turned up this, for example:
"Y chromosomes traveling south: the cohen modal haplotype and the origins of the Lemba--the "Black Jews of Southern Africa." Needless to say, there has been all kinds of religious foofarah around the Lemba people, but the bottom line is that it looks like DNA can link genetically similar people to other related populations.

I think that points up the difference between a view of the world which puts reality/nature first, and which puts the word of people first.

We may discover in the future that DNA is as much pseudoscience as phrenology, but for now, it seems a genuine way of tracing genetics, so it's an actual, real, testable way of finding the "records" of a "lost tribe" like the Lemba.

The result of that knowledge, in my opinion, isn't much more than: "well, that's a cool bit of trivia concerning human migration." And of course Talmage was just lucky--I'm sure he didn't actually mean DNA and was thinking instead of another book like the Bible or the Book or Mormon, and DNA testing actual disproves more of the LDS beliefs than it proves. But still, it's something we didn't know before, thanks to evidence discovered by a lot of smart people doing a lot of hard work.
 
Don't forget Cat Tale, who seems able to be a Mormon without being a brainwashed robot.

I'll be perfectly honest, I've never run across another Mormon who can't voice his/her own opinion. This is a first for me, and I'm as baffled as everyone else.

I feel really sorry for Janadele because I feel there's more going on here than we can see. I don't know if it's personal, spiritual, or what, but this is not typical behavior for Mormons.
 
When it comes to rating relative levels of silliness, it's not easy to decide between Hollow Earth and One Adam For The Universe. I'll have to vote for Adam though. I'm visualizing some being a billion light years from here who is just so very concerned with one of our creation myths. Or better yet, one beyond the observable horizon, who will never see even a single photon from our sun.
 
Janadele is neither brainwashed, nor robotic. She's just a troll, who's worked out a good formula for getting replies.
 
I'll be perfectly honest, I've never run across another Mormon who can't voice his/her own opinion. This is a first for me, and I'm as baffled as everyone else.

I feel really sorry for Janadele because I feel there's more going on here than we can see. I don't know if it's personal, spiritual, or what, but this is not typical behavior for Mormons.
I like Mormons. All the ones I've met in person were good people, and like yourself, perfectly willing to discuss their opinions. I've never met one who took everything literally, though, perhaps the cognitive dissonance makes thinking difficult.
 
At what point does a poster get infracted for continually posting irrelevant quotes without ever discussing the issues at hand? This is beyond the point of ridiculous.
 
The Ten Tribes are a numerous civilisation. Located in the North. Yet in this day and age they are still not seen nor known of by the majority of the earth's inhabitants. Are they on a planet which has broken from the earth and appears to us as a northern star, are they within the earth, or are they kept from our sight in some other way? These are questions yet to be answered.
Do leprechauns pee green urine? That's another question yet to be answered.

Your refusal to answer questions and engage in a meaningful way is rude. Preaching is rude. This forum was not started for that. It's meant for us to have a discussion.
 
Janadele says: Read the Scriptures :D

Esdras says: "God stilled the flood to enable the tribes passage to the north countries, and that God will do it again to enable their return."
That correlates with D&C 133 "and they shall smite the rocks, and the ice shall flow down at their presence".

Do you have any sources that might have been actual historians or perhaps archaeologists? There's just really no nice way to say this. The people who founded your religion had some very serious integrity deficiencies and were what we would call today sexual deviants. I'm afraid anything they wrote is really not good enough to be taken seriously. Are there any sources you could maybe give us besides Smith and Young? Both of them really were just such moral sink-holes that nothing they wrote can be honestly viewed as anything less then a sick deception to further their own depravity.
 
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