Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

[Dismember]

Google wants me to search for "Judy Byington twenty two faces". When I do, this thread is on the second page.

You know, I didn't even think about that! I get those auto-suggestions too - am I correct that they come up because they're common search terms?

I wonder if we could get things like "Judy Byington caught lying" or "Judy Byington lied Attorney General" to come up in the auto-suggestions if enough of us Google those search terms?

ETA - Orphia, with those search terms this thread is the second result and one of Doug's blog entries is right at the top.

 

[cosmicaug]

From what I gather, she thinks you and Karmakaze are both writers, or possibly that you're both the same person and also a writer. The writer in question, or one of the writers in question, is apparently August Piper. This August Piper may or may not be connected, in Felicity's mind, to the Amazon poster named August Pamplona.

If so, this is kind of amusing to me.

 

[Orphia Nay]

I was checking Google News for stories mentioning DID, and found this:

http://www.equities.com/news/headline-story?dt=2012-12-31&val=877582&cat=service

A new book is coming out called "And the Angel Rocked Me" by a Chrisitian "DID" sufferer, Bobbie Helen Casey Jones, published by, yes, you guessed it, Tate Publishing.

From the article:

The oldest child, Michael, developed a premature interest in sex, tortured his younger siblings, killed their pets and those of their neighbors, and became increasingly sadistic, she wrote. Beginning when she was 9 years old, Michael held her face-down in a horse tank and sexually abused her with the barrel of a gun, screaming, "You're a girl! Nobody cares about you."
The abuse continued through her teenage years, but her mother and father refused to believe her, intervene or discipline Michael. So, she turned to an apparition of an angel who would soothe her during the rapes and beatings. "Her arms reached out and gently placed me in her lap," she wrote. "No longer in pain, I concentrated on being rocked, back and forth."
When she was 20, Jones found a way out of her abusive home by signing on as a United Airlines flight attendant -- a job that took her to Chicago, the East Coast, Europe and finally Denver, where she married and bought her first home. After a divorce brought on by her husband's infidelity, Jones experienced suicidal depression and began seeing a psychologist who diagnosed her "alters" -- or alternate personalities.

 

[Dismember]

I was checking Google News for stories mentioning DID, and found this:

http://www.equities.com/news/headline-story?dt=2012-12-31&val=877582&cat=service

A new book is coming out called "And the Angel Rocked Me" by a Chrisitian "DID" sufferer, Bobbie Helen Casey Jones, published by, yes, you guessed it, Tate Publishing.

I don't know if you've ever searched their website, but Tate Publishing has a LOT of "true" stories like this.

On the Facebook page for "And the Angel Rocked Me," the owner says this:

Hi everyone,
I just got an e-mail from Jon Leiberman, reporter with the Howard Stern Show. He is interviewing me on January 8th....YAHOO! Jon used to report for America's Most Wanted. God is opening more doors for me.

Jon Leiberman also did a show with Judy Byington. It's hard for me to believe that someone connected to the Howard Stern show would give this lunacy positive press but that's apparently what's going on. The interview is on the 8th.. maybe it's worth sending Mr. Leiberman an email and letting him know he's encouraging dangerous lunacy.

Thanks for the info, Orphia!

ETA: Here is Jon Leiberman's contact page.

 

[Dismember]

An excerpt from the article about Bobbie Helen Casey Jones:

You could label Jones an avenging angel for deceptive spouses or an ex-wife from hell.

Belle says it’s the latter. “She’s sick,” he said. “After we got the divorce, she got a hold of me and said if I didn’t give her $16,000 cash, she’s going to make my life hell. … Of course, I didn’t give it to her. I said, ‘What? We’ve only been married two and a half months.’ ”

I think this article is meant to be an endorsement of Casey Jones' story, and still, it's very hard to tell if she was really the victim of an abusive marriage or if she's a mentally imbalanced stalker.

From the Tate Publishing page:

Casey found the strength to forge her way in the world, thriving as a flight attendant who entertained passengers with her in-flight songs and antics. But later, a calculating predator pulled her into his snare. This smooth talking, charismatic psychopath had everything under control, so he thought. Like so many others she was taken in, but realizing that God commands us to stand against evil, she fought back.

If this story is as short on facts (and as heavy on accusations) as 22 Faces, this ex-husband of hers might be in for a rough ride. :|

 

[Altus]

Yeck, on the Stern show on the 8th. Before that hits, though, "Anderson Live" http://www.andersoncooper.com/episo...d-exclusive-a-mom-with-over-20-personalities/ is scheduled to air something TOMORROW (did a memo go out to these shows or what?) with a patient of Satanic conspiracy therapist Valerie Sinason. Bizarre that Doctor Phil apparently held back and Cooper appears to be going full throttle ahead. Here's an article with all the details on this patient of Sinason's on Doug's blog. Sad and frightening. (Byington has claimed a connection to the ISSTD presentation referenced in the article.) http://www.dysgenics.com/2013/01/01/death-of-a-demographic/

Please join us in a posting party with your skeptical views on this whole mess on any of the the show's contact links (twitter, email, etc.) on the right in the link or post in comments. And then it's off to Stern. (Dismember, I'll contact you in a PM re: Doc W.)

 

[Roma]

Yeck, on the Stern show on the 8th. Before that hits, though, "Anderson Live" http://www.andersoncooper.com/episo...d-exclusive-a-mom-with-over-20-personalities/ is scheduled to air something TOMORROW (did a memo go out to these shows or what?) with a patient of Satanic conspiracy therapist Valerie Sinason. Bizarre that Doctor Phil apparently held back and Cooper appears to be going full throttle ahead. Here's an article with all the details on this patient of Sinason's on Doug's blog. Sad and frightening. (Byington has claimed a connection to the ISSTD presentation referenced in the article.) http://www.dysgenics.com/2013/01/01/death-of-a-demographic/

Please join us in a posting party with your skeptical views on this whole mess on any of the the show's contact links (twitter, email, etc.) on the right in the link or post in comments. And then it's off to Stern. (Dismember, I'll contact you in a PM re: Doc W.)

I put my comment in yesterday, somebody named Jenny posted a comment today, I wonder if that is Jenny Hill ?
I am now going to learn how to twitter so I can send Cooper something that way too.

 

[Orphia Nay]

I've read in a few places that MRI(?) scans of DID patients allegedly show activity & blood flow in different regions of the brain when the patient is speaking as different alters.

Could someone point me to the study/studies that allegedly prove this? (And anything that disproves it too would be nice.)

Couldn't it be that people assume a different "alter" to act out different emotions, thus of course different brain regions are involved.

 

[Scott Sommers]

I've read in a few places that MRI(?) scans of DID patients allegedly show activity & blood flow in different regions of the brain when the patient is speaking as different alters.

Could someone point me to the study/studies that allegedly prove this? (And anything that disproves it too would be nice.)

Couldn't it be that people assume a different "alter" to act out different emotions, thus of course different brain regions are involved.

Are you sure that's what the conclusion is supposed to be? I'm not an authority in this literature, but my reading is quite different about the fMRI data on DID. The papers I have seen talk about differences but not the differences that you mention. So for example,
Neural correlates of enhanced working-memory performance in dissociative disorder: a functional MRI study

Imaging data showed that both groups activated brain regions typically involved in working memory, i.e. anterior, dorsolateral and ventrolateral prefrontal cortex (PFC), and parietal cortex. Dissociative patients showed more activation in these areas, particularly in the left anterior PFC, dorsolateral PFC and parietal cortex. In line with these findings, patients made fewer errors with increasing task load compared to controls, despite the fact that they felt more anxious and less concentrated during task performance.

Is this one particular study?

In addition, there was a link a while back on the FB group to a research paper. In the paper, there was neurological work cited that critiques this idea of separate personalities and brain function, for example that conditioned responses on DID patients do NOT disappear when other personalities supposedly emerge.

 

[Dismember]

Anderson Cooper - our "big break"?

Smile JREFers, we're on candid camera.

Or at least, we could be. Anderson Cooper's comment section is a lot more visible than Amazon, and if we want this debate to play out in a public arena where people can see skeptical views along with those of the true believers, this is probably a good place to start.

I recognize some forum members posts there -- bravo, friends

Judy, Felicity and Co. are already there and dropping hints about the "agenda" of anyone who dares to closely inspect or question the DID diagnosis and "ritual abuse."

Some highlights:

Roma,

No, we are in the year 2013 - and, your opinion is outdated. Read up on your research - there are many sites - ISSTD is a good site to catch up your reading. I think the standards here are quite high - and, applaud everyone involved in making this show possible.

http://www.igdid.com/

I salute Kim Noble for speaking out on multiple personality or Dissociate Identity Disorder as the diagnosis is now recognized in the DSM-IV. ..... I understand the naysayers Kim will face by making her story public. ...... Jenny Hill is the only known survivor of a modern day human sacrifice ceremony. ...... One wonders why there are such adamat critics of these so traumatized.

And my favorite so far:

I wish such horrors didn't happen to children, but they do. Dissociation is a coping mechanism used by bright, creative minds to deal with overwhelming abuse. It is widely accepted in psychology and not up for rational debate. The vitriolic skeptics on this site, and most all sites where survivors of such extreme trauma try to speak up about what happened to them, reveal either their willful ignorance of accepted psychiatric practice or their much darker agenda to cover up such crimes via slandering respectable therapists like this woman's and Valerie Sinason, PhD. Ask yourself, why would people have such an agenda? I support truth tellers, our world needs them.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Are you sure that's what the conclusion is supposed to be? I'm not an authority in this literature, but my reading is quite different about the fMRI data on DID. The papers I have seen talk about differences but not the differences that you mention. So for example,
Neural correlates of enhanced working-memory performance in dissociative disorder: a functional MRI study

Is this one particular study?

In addition, there was a link a while back on the FB group to a research paper. In the paper, there was neurological work cited that critiques this idea of separate personalities and brain function, for example that conditioned responses on DID patients do NOT disappear when other personalities supposedly emerge.

Thanks, Scott. I'm not sure how many studies "show" it. I've read about the study/studies in a few places. One, I remember was here:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/cond...entity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder

"Brain imaging studies, however, have corroborated identity transitions in some patients."

Also on that page's "Causes" section.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Re: Anderson Cooper.

I've tried to post a comment, but the page tells me "Comment came from an invalid source."
It also says to confirm my details in a confirmation email they sent to me, but I've been waiting at least 20 minutes and nothing has appeared in my inbox or spam folder.

Did anyone else have this problem?

 

[Stellafane]

Re: Anderson Cooper.

I've tried to post a comment, but the page tells me "Comment came from an invalid source."
It also says to confirm my details in a confirmation email they sent to me, but I've been waiting at least 20 minutes and nothing has appeared in my inbox or spam folder.

Did anyone else have this problem?

I signed up no problem (although my attempt to engage DiD therapy supporters fell flat, I'm afraid).

 

[Orphia Nay]

I signed up no problem (although my attempt to engage DiD therapy supporters fell flat, I'm afraid).

Thanks for trying.

I've tried two different email addresses and they keep saying I'm an invalid source.

Why do they hate Australia?

 

[Altus]

Thanks, Scott. I'm not sure how many studies "show" it. I've read about the study/studies in a few places. One, I remember was here:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/cond...entity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder

"Brain imaging studies, however, have corroborated identity transitions in some patients."

Also on that page's "Causes" section.

Hmm...which studies, when and how were they conducted? I hear "brain imaging" and "fMRI" tossed around a lot by DID folk.

Here is some pretty startling stuff on the subject: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-prize-in-neuroscience-the-dead-salmon-study/

 

[Orphia Nay]

http://www.dysgenics.com/2013/01/01/death-of-a-demographic/

Excellent job, Altus!

 

[ddt]

I've read in a few places that MRI(?) scans of DID patients allegedly show activity & blood flow in different regions of the brain when the patient is speaking as different alters.

Could someone point me to the study/studies that allegedly prove this? (And anything that disproves it too would be nice.)

Couldn't it be that people assume a different "alter" to act out different emotions, thus of course different brain regions are involved.

There's the Neuroimaging-DID project by Simone Reinders from Groningen University, Netherlands, and King's College London, UK. She also recently published a paper in PLOS-ONE where she compared brain activity of DID-diagnosed patients with control groups of non-DID-people who simulated having two identities. BTW, the last author of that paper, Ellert Nijenhuis, is one of the early adopters of MPS/DID in the Netherlands.

I haven't read the papers myself yet, so I can't comment on it what would be wrong with it. One thing I could think of, though, is how long it normally takes for a therapist to establish (or: train) that a patient has DID, compared with the training time the volunteers in Reinders' research got to simulate two personalities.

 

[xterra]

In post #1269, Scott Sommers cited this paper:

Neural correlates of enhanced working-memory performance in dissociative disorder: a functional MRI study

I just read the study. There was significant increase in activity in the brains of the patients compared to the control group. Despite increased stress, the patients performed better at the memory task.

However, the total duration of the task was ten minutes. As the title indicates, the study tested working memory, not long-range memory.

My conclusion is that this study neither confirms nor refutes iatrogenic DID.

 

[Orphia Nay]

There's the Neuroimaging-DID project by Simone Reinders from Groningen University, Netherlands, and King's College London, UK. She also recently published a paper in PLOS-ONE where she compared brain activity of DID-diagnosed patients with control groups of non-DID-people who simulated having two identities. BTW, the last author of that paper, Ellert Nijenhuis, is one of the early adopters of MPS/DID in the Netherlands.

I haven't read the papers myself yet, so I can't comment on it what would be wrong with it. One thing I could think of, though, is how long it normally takes for a therapist to establish (or: train) that a patient has DID, compared with the training time the volunteers in Reinders' research got to simulate two personalities.

Thanks very much, ddt. Good comment.

I've started a thread on the PLOS One paper in the Science sub-forum.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250681

I don't want to derail this thread any more than I have.

 

[Orphia Nay]

In post #1269, Scott Sommers cited this paper:

Neural correlates of enhanced working-memory performance in dissociative disorder: a functional MRI study

I just read the study. There was significant increase in activity in the brains of the patients compared to the control group. Despite increased stress, the patients performed better at the memory task.

However, the total duration of the task was ten minutes. As the title indicates, the study tested working memory, not long-range memory.

My conclusion is that this study neither confirms nor refutes iatrogenic DID.

Thanks very much for that, xterra.