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The BFF V The BFRO Forums

captain koolaid said:
Bigfootery as church? Yeah, maybe. Sort of. Used to think so, but now I'm not so sure. It certainly has that sort of look to it. But, I don't think the belief factor is as significant anymore, overall (if it ever was). Certainly not with the bigwigs and probably not with many, if not most of the followers. I think Footery is more like a floating campfire yarn circle slash tourist trap. They're not so much gullible, as liars. Colourful liars. It's a sort of an exclusive liars club. Complete with status and prestige. Grand poobah of liars... Exective officer of liars... Chief bottle washer of liars... that sort of thing. It's about telling scary stories and selling coffee mugs. Getting more wide eyed "kiddies" to sit enthralled by monster tales. It's fun and also profitable for some. I don't think they're all that stupid. Well, maybe initially. But I suspect that most know that's it's all fantasy and a jolly wheeze, after a while. But, they carry on the charade as the look on the face of the impressionable is kind of addictive. It's a grand and elaborate prank that isn't hampered by the bucks it generates, here and there. It started as a prank and I don't think it's changed all that much. Just expanded operations and diversified.
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Liars (IN SOME CASES) is a bit harsh. But my take on that is with some, they've been doing the squatch thing for a certain time and haven't proven. And if they can't prove it, there must surely be a way to make a buck off it.

Not with all, but with many "celebrity" footers its become about the green.
 
For some of them they have nothing else in their lives. Sadly, all their friends are on the BFF, and it is their entire social life, so when they figure out bigfoot is not a real animal they keep 'believing'.
 
GT/CS said:
For some of them they have nothing else in their lives. Sadly, all their friends are on the BFF, and it is their entire social life, so when they figure out bigfoot is not a real animal they keep 'believing'.
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As do many who fill the church pews every Sunday.
 
LTC8K6 said:
It's hard to bash what you aren't allowed to participate in?

That would be my guess. Sceptics are sort of allowed on BFF.

Not so much on BFRO.

I've never been a member of either, so I'm only guessing.
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Well, that's half true. Skeptics are allowed on the BFF, but they aren't allowed to say much. I myself was banned in one day, but then again, I did hassle them, because that's the kinda thing i'm into.
 
RayG said:
I just think bigfoot can be discussed without things getting personal.RayG
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Things don't really need to get personal for a person to be kicked out of the BFF. I was banned in 24 hours, and never once attacked anyone personally.

It's basically just a play-group for overgrown children, where they can roam free across metaphorical pastures green, hand-in-hand with Sasquatch.
 
Jodie said:
I guess I was being one of those fake skeptics for begging the question and not discussing science and truth. I'll remember that criteria the next time the authentic skeptics start one upping each other with the kindergarten banter.

Personally, I think I would just walk away if I saw a big hairy ape man and not bother to mention it to anyone knowing what I know now. I'm not overly concerned about the negative, it would be the positive reinforcement from the die hard footers that would put me off.
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Well, it depends on whether you actually saw something, considering the fact that Bigfoot doesn't exist, believers are put into 3 groups: the one's who think they saw something, the one's who were hoaxed, and the one's who're talking bollocks for the sake of it.

If I was certain I'd seen something real, then yes, I'd tell someone. Assuming I wasn't intoxicated in any way.

If I were to see Bigfoot, of course I'd tell people, even knowing what I know about the possible "backlash" I'd receive. Who cares?

I don't believe that anyone has ever seen an actual Bigfoot, though.
 
mikeyx said:
Liars (IN SOME CASES) is a bit harsh. But my take on that is with some, they've been doing the squatch thing for a certain time and haven't proven. And if they can't prove it, there must surely be a way to make a buck off it.

Not with all, but with many "celebrity" footers its become about the green.
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Definitely agree with your point about some being in it mostly, if not entirely for the bucks. But, I dunno about the liars thing being too harsh. I used to cut Footery a fair bit of slack, but, I guess I've gotten cynical. Anyway I suspect, in the most part, it's a fair assessment.

For those who aren't really interested or involved, I can see how one might be deceived by the tales and accept it. But, after you've entered the world of Footery seriously, it becomes all about the prank, the woods and wildmen and telling porkies. People have been doing this sort of thing for a very, very long time. It's a campfire legend. A modern tribal boogeyman. It's a lie told by liars. But, it's a funny lie. A prank. A sort of meme. Some might be doing a good job of convincing themselves of the lie, but that's part of role playing.


GT/CS said:
For some of them they have nothing else in their lives. Sadly, all their friends are on the BFF, and it is their entire social life, so when they figure out bigfoot is not a real animal they keep 'believing'.
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Can't argue with that. One way or another, I suspect they know it's all just a story.
 
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captain koolaid said:
For those who aren't really interested or involved, I can see how one might be deceived by the tales and accept it. But, after you've entered the world of Footery seriously, it becomes all about the prank, the woods and wildmen and telling porkies. People have been doing this sort of thing for a very, very long time. It's a campfire legend. A modern tribal boogeyman. It's a lie told by liars. But, it's a funny lie. A prank. A sort of meme. Some might be doing a good job of convincing themselves of the lie, but that's part of role playing.
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Well with that, I can see some of us are out of a job, No use in trying to explain footers after that post, I'm going to go have a few pops and think of a new hobby now ~ ;)
 
captain koolaid said:
Can't argue with that. One way or another, I suspect they know it's all just a story.
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I think you're really giving them too much credit for being in on it all. I mean christians and hindus really do believe in their crazy stories (at least to some extent).

Looking around BFF you find people that are arguing that the US government is covering up bigfoot because of the profit the govt. stands to make from doing so. And other people eat it up. Other people trying to link bigfoot and Mothman as maybe being the same thing or similar.

I'd find your point more convincing if these people were establishing like fully fleshed out and cogent fictions; short stories about crazy woods monsters. Instead, it's more like a bunch of random ideas and random speculations.

Really, the only thing that puts me kind of in your "they all know" camp is that none of them really fight over details so much. (That I have seen). I don't see any evidence that they are over there trying to piece together all the available information on a living creature and sort out the wheat from the chaff. It's a bunch of wildly different and frequently contradictory "facts" that no one seems to interested in trying to make sense of except when a skeptic speaks up.
 
I am Bigfoot said:
I think you're really giving them too much credit for being in on it all. I mean christians and hindus really do believe in their crazy stories (at least to some extent).

Looking around BFF you find people that are arguing that the US government is covering up bigfoot because of the profit the govt. stands to make from doing so. And other people eat it up. Other people trying to link bigfoot and Mothman as maybe being the same thing or similar.

I'd find your point more convincing if these people were establishing like fully fleshed out and cogent fictions; short stories about crazy woods monsters. Instead, it's more like a bunch of random ideas and random speculations.

Really, the only thing that puts me kind of in your "they all know" camp is that none of them really fight over details so much. (That I have seen). I don't see any evidence that they are over there trying to piece together all the available information on a living creature and sort out the wheat from the chaff. It's a bunch of wildly different and frequently contradictory "facts" that no one seems to interested in trying to make sense of except when a skeptic speaks up.
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I didn't specify a definite all. But, maybe pretty much all. Wasn't really considering the deranged in the assessment, anyway. But no matter how wacky some may seem, I think they come to know. The whole govt/NSA/MIB type thing I see as simply more stories to enhance the original story. The trouble with Bigfoot is that it is actually less believeable than other crazy stuff. Chupacabras? Elusive alien hybrid CIA experiment. They probably dissolve, or something... Little grey men? They're aliens. Who knows what they do... Ghosts? Well, they're ghosts... And so on. Chalk it up to magic, or something. But, Bigfoot is this real, undocumented, 8 foot 500 pound behemoth, that is everywhere. He's in your dumpster, your trailer park, your backyard. Yet, Biggie just won't show up when you need him. Biggie is like some deadbeat friend. Ironically, I think that those who adhere to magic Bigfoot, interdimensional, time travelling sasquatch, are possibly not engaged in active deception. Historian wasn't a liar. He was simply crazy.

These Footers (in general) know it's all crap. Bigfoot can't be everywhere the reports and stories say he is and have nothing to show for it. Footers know that the reports are lies. When you rule out 90% as lies and 10% might be lies, they understand it's a big joke based on telling whoppers. They embrace it, or go rogue. I doubt that most with their own stories of encounters think they really saw Bigfoot. I doubt that they even think it might be Bigfoot. They know it was never Bigfoot. It's all role playing and yarn spinning.

If the original prank had stayed this super-rare, elusive wood ape in a tiny area, then maybe I could believe that they're just gullible, or hopeful. But, it's not like that. It got out of control rather quickly and now Bigfoot is in the everglades, opening pork and beans with a screwdriver, eating garlic in Tennessee, in back yards in New York and whatnot. It's a club of hucksters and tall story artists. Some are in it to grift, some for the pranking, some to simply socialise with other fibbers.

Not trying to tell you that this is fact. It's just my opinion. I reckon that they're not, as a whole, a bunch of simple feebs. They're just liars.
 
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My experience with the footers, and this was how I felt about it while I was there on the BFF, was "Everyone else's stuff is crap except mine". The majority didn't necessarily believe any of it except what they said they personally experienced, and they didn't want to hear any real questioning about their experience, no matter how polite it was, from anyone else.

That's the thing about the BFF and BFRO that is bad, by sharing so much it makes it easier for the lunatic fringe to confabulate something that matches what most say they experience. You can no longer seperate the wheat from the chaff so all of the reports, all the stories, are pretty much useless. That's what I think the footers fail to understand about it all. Now with the "Finding Bigfoot" show on the air I imagine you'll get reports in Hawaii before too long, if it hasn't happened already.
 
They were stow aways on cruise ships because they smelled the food. I can hear it now.
 
And I thought I was being facetious, seriously? How do you hide something like that in Hawaii, in a lava tube?
 
who knows.... I wonder what the bleevers on the BFF would say if presented with these "sightings"? Would they dare question their own claim of "well the sheer number of sightings mean that SOME of them HAVE to be true"?

Would they laugh and say "obviously people have misidentified a known animal"?

Would they say "wow, Bigfoot in Hawaii too? PROOF!!"

I suspect you would hear all 3
 
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Jodie said:
And I thought I was being facetious, seriously? How do you hide something like that in Hawaii, in a lava tube?
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StankApe said:
who knows.... I wonder what the bleevers on the BFF would say if presented with these "sightings"? Would they dare question their own claim of "well the sheer number of sightings mean that SOME of them HAVE to be true"?

Would they laugh and say "obviously people have misidentified a known animal"?

Would they say "wow, Bigfoot in Hawaii too? PROOF!!"

I suspect you would hear all 3
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I guess all y'all missed my Hawaiian Footie song.

(Think Puff the Magic Dragon)

Ahem . . .

Biff the Magic Bigfoot, hid by the sea
where he threw pigs into the surf
on a beach near Hanalei.

Big ole chimp boy Bobo, loved that rascal Biff
went searching for him high and low
until he fell off a cliff.

Needs more verses.
 
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