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jerrywayne said:
If I came to my skepticism due to my understanding of the issues, I would also have to accept this new information, if vivid and not ambiguous--- and I would talk my ass off.
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And I would expect that you would do the same if you saw a genuine unicorn, fairy, leprechaun or mermaid.
 
William Parcher said:
And I would expect that you would do the same if you saw a genuine unicorn, fairy, leprechaun or mermaid.
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I think I might hang around longer to investigate the reality of a fairy or a leprechaun than I would for a Bigfoot. You have to remember that the super-logical professor-type guy who scoffs at his own eyes and insists that the dragon cannot be real because dragons do not exist always ends up getting eaten by the dragon. It's in loads of films. And if we cannot learn from films, then we are doomed to an endless cycle of Police Academy sequels.
 
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Man, they have it all there on the Rez. The Navajo are very superstitious people. I was talking once to a Navajo guy about a local condo development called Coyote Fields and he was telling me his cousin worked there as a plumber and was always seeing these tall dark figures in the shadows and eventually got really sick. It was supposedly because of the coyote name (Coyote is the Trickster, a Navajo diety who can do bad things to people).

A prime example of how a superstitious mindset can mess up your life, IMO.

He then told me another story about riding on the Rez and coming to an Anasazi cliff dwelling and his friend's horse later throwing him and breaking his leg, all because they weren't supposed to be near the Ancient One's homes.
 
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Jodie said:
LOLOL ... well then Beaver Hateman , I have just the link for you then. It should fulfill every requirement for any sightings involving any mythological creature you might have.

http://www.daily-times.com/farmington-news/ci_22155576?source=rss
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I like the line ..

"Lately, an unusual number of people on the reservation also have spotted Centaurs,"

..which raises the question of what the usual number of people who spot centaurs is.

Also, halfway down is an advert showing the Pillsbury Dough boy, which I thought for a minute was an illustration of another claimed sighting.

The locals must be having fun with those two guys. "Tell him centaurs...he'll never go for that...bloody hell, he did"
 
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William Parcher said:
And I would expect that you would do the same if you saw a genuine unicorn, fairy, leprechaun or mermaid.
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Of course, if I saw a genuine unicorn, fairy, etc.

Do you dislike hypotheticals in general, or just hypotheticals that premise the existence of Bigfoot?
 
I was just wondering.. Has this thread been cleaned or is it still in quarantine status ? Just wondering..
 
For Christs sake there is no BF ~ hahaha.

Correct me if I am wrong but does it seem like the people from the BFF ( that includes a lot of us ) are way more aggressive on the net than people from the BFRO, I don't see BFRO people coming here and being so fighty.
 
That may be because people from here are not allowed to post at the BFRO so we don't have the opportunity to piss them off enough to come over here and embarrass themselves.
 
They must at least read the threads I am sure, wonder if they are forbidden to join or answer on this forum, something is going on if no one from there has never posted here.
 
Bigfootery as church? Yeah, maybe. Sort of. Used to think so, but now I'm not so sure. It certainly has that sort of look to it. But, I don't think the belief factor is as significant anymore, overall (if it ever was). Certainly not with the bigwigs and probably not with many, if not most of the followers. I think Footery is more like a floating campfire yarn circle slash tourist trap. They're not so much gullible, as liars. Colourful liars. It's a sort of an exclusive liars club. Complete with status and prestige. Grand poobah of liars... Exective officer of liars... Chief bottle washer of liars... that sort of thing. It's about telling scary stories and selling coffee mugs. Getting more wide eyed "kiddies" to sit enthralled by monster tales. It's fun and also profitable for some. I don't think they're all that stupid. Well, maybe initially. But I suspect that most know that's it's all fantasy and a jolly wheeze, after a while. But, they carry on the charade as the look on the face of the impressionable is kind of addictive. It's a grand and elaborate prank that isn't hampered by the bucks it generates, here and there. It started as a prank and I don't think it's changed all that much. Just expanded operations and diversified.
 
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Not a church per se, but I do think bigfootery has several secular cult like qualities.

1. Emotional response- Those that think they have seen bigfoot are often profoundly affected.
2. Because of the emotional investment it's easier to suspend critical thinking.
3. Dismissal and rebuke of dissenters.
4. Groupspeak or groupthink, veneration of certain ideas or leaders, pressure to conform.(JREF, BFRO, BFF)
5.Cult members like to reassure themselves in collective self-delusion that they are superior, even denouncing other groups as being cults and/or congratulating themselves on being rational and objective and even trumpeting their own non-cultism. ( JREF, BFRO, BFF)
6. Authoritarian leadership patterns. (MM)
 
In summary.. they make things up and become hysterical about their claims to prove themselves correct. The Cult of BF.. histrionics, self absorbed, definsive, narcassitic, low self esteem, poor judgment, and easily manipulatated.

Sad. No self thinking or understanding.
 
#1 Comparison between religion and bigfootery.

Russell's Teapot.

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The "church" of BFF and BFRO, TBRC etc (tbrc are a tax exempt entity also) all have great stories and "experiences" to bring folks. Proof? Not so much. Even though they seem to find bigfoot wherever they go, they still have nothing to identify such a thing. Bigfoot must be a ghost. Real beings leave real stuff behind. Real beings perish. Everyone knows ghosts are real right. Bigfoot is a ghost. It's telekinesis and glowing eyes, it's ability to scare bored house wives and make grown men act a fool is contagious. It's fun! Entertaining... people still love werewolf and vampire movies. If I had to pick a guy that I would want to profit from something like "bigfoot"... it would be a guy like Patterson. I think even though he was not so great at paying bills or debts, he still had some close friends. (still does!) I think that is how the "mystery" lasted so long, and then after his death Gimlin needed to get paid to continue it. I'd bet that he had to sign some sort of NDA or waiver in order to get his percent.

Anyhow, the forums are a great way to weigh in on how bigfoot is sold to the public. The part that is troubling to me are the people that may spend their lives ridiculed or suffer some social and perhaps financial difficulties because of spending time and money looking for this mythical creature that they have been convinced is real by the liars and cons.

That is more how I see it. I think some people do truly believe, and may believe they have seen something. We here at the JREF know of cases where people have "seen things" like bigfoots and its been shown to be a delusional person, or just a plain old lie. The only thing that has never occured is one single story, footprint, hair, film or otherwise lead to the actual animal. (because there is none to be found, and yes I'd be happy to "eat crow" on that one proponents. Show me the actual monkey! lol) *crickets*


"I has a baseball"
 
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