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Jodie said:
Let me ask you guys something, if the mythical bigfoot stepped out of the underbrush onto a trail you happened to be hiking, and you got a really good look at him from head to toe standing six feet away from you, would you tell anyone?
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I would tell him jokes, and when he went to applaud I'd knock him the head with a big stick!!! :D
 
Jokes? All you'd need is that football. He'd be all yours.

And Santa hat, of course.

(Has Sweaty Yeti analyzed your avatar yet?)
 
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I guess I was being one of those fake skeptics for begging the question and not discussing science and truth. I'll remember that criteria the next time the authentic skeptics start one upping each other with the kindergarten banter.

Personally, I think I would just walk away if I saw a big hairy ape man and not bother to mention it to anyone knowing what I know now. I'm not overly concerned about the negative, it would be the positive reinforcement from the die hard footers that would put me off.
 
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Jodie said:
I guess I was being one of those fake skeptics for begging the question and not discussing science and truth. I'll remember that criteria the next time the authentic skeptics start one upping each other with the kindergarten banter.

Personally, I think I would just walk away if I saw a big hairy ape man and not bother to mention it to anyone knowing what I know now. I'm not overly concerned about the negative, it would be the positive reinforcement from the die hard footers that would put me off.
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Oh don't be sour..... We are just having a little fun with it, cuz we know there is no giant man ape to see.

It's akin to saying "what would you do if you won the lottery?" it's so not happening, so any answer is really just silly by default
 
StankApe said:
Oh don't be sour..... We are just having a little fun with it, cuz we know there is no giant man ape to see.

It's akin to saying "what would you do if you won the lottery?" it's so not happening, so any answer is really just silly by default
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Yep, silly seems to bother some a lot more than others so I'll just keep on poking the bear with it. :p
 
Jode, some people just take life too serious. Just ignore and be happy.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
This.

Every one of them pretends to be "balanced" by generating straw men positions skeptics do not have, playing dumb, selective attention, begging the question, etc: using logical fallacies at the same time they are pretending to "show" skeptics how to be TRULY skeptical. You can see the smirk on their faces as they're typing.

It would be one thing were it reasonable differences people have, but one of the gifts in this kind of acting is staking out a completely absurd position with a straight face and pretending people disagreeing with it are unreasonable. What, who me? No, honestly I really think two plus two can be five, for sufficiently large values of two.

The default position of the wildest bigfoot proponent is that he is the balanced, open-minded skeptic and the people following the scientific method are closed-minded, biased jerks. Every new phony skeptic here thinks he's come up with the "new idea" of posing himself as the fair-and-balanced skeptic saying a thousand years of history is not enough to determine whether elephants are roaming wild in Central Park.

For a lot of them that come here discussion is not about science and truth. It's just a fun game they're playing, and faking a position is way more fun than honest discussion. Chain-yanking. That is what I react to most strongly - that kind of deceit. I've tried to do it by going on their forums and faking a position but it bothers me too much to maintain a lie.

But boy, they sure can. They know exactly how deceitful they are being while they are doing it, which is where the fun is for them: everyone else being so stupid as to buy into their deception. Not their false argument - but making you believe that they are sincere in that argument.

You can see it being turned on and off like a light switch. Day and night. One minute looking up sources and sounding reasonable and the next minute saying the moon is made of green cheese.
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Yes, there is no denying that these sort of folks have been on here. Over and over to the point of frustration ! You can see it AB in the above replys that tend to ignore your thoughts and observations ..

"What would you do if a BF jumped onto the trail 6 ft in front of you ?"

No place like home. Yikes ! Making up made up scenarios of a mythical creature that does not exist still ? Good Grief. It seems to me that some of those that have "escaped" from the bff or bfro still like to believe in the subject and really have not gotten over that issue.

There is obviously no such thing as bf... unless that is the guy dating your daughter.
 
bf is a drug.. a sedative or a stimulant.. or at the very least a comfort food for some people.

Depending on how in they are to the myth. Interesting to watch. It appears some were bought in childhood with the PGF at your local theatre. Others became addicted later in life through cable tv.
 
AttorneyTom said:
"What would you do if a BF jumped onto the trail 6 ft in front of you ?"

No place like home. Yikes ! Making up made up scenarios of a mythical creature that does not exist still ? Good Grief. It seems to me that some of those that have "escaped" from the bff or bfro still like to believe in the subject and really have not gotten over that issue.
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Look at it this way. After leaving a cult it is going to take some time to readjust and sort out things, when making hard decisions some times there is a need to look over the reasons after the fact, one might still have to question the move by asking others about their experiences etc, I know cause it happened to me when I quit the BFF and took a year off to think.

Plus! Don't ever underestimate the power of sarcasm.
 
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Look at it this way. After leaving a cult it is going to take some time to readjust and sort out things, when making hard decisions some times there is a need to look over the reasons after the fact, one might still have to question the move by asking others about their experiences etc, I know cause it happened to me when I quit the BFF and took a year off to think.

Plus! Don't ever underestimate the power of sarcasm.
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Hey.. I can appreciate that and understand it.

That said. Why do so many pop over here and do this..

I believe in bf or used to ( blah.. blah.. blah lame story), Oh.. maybe I dont.. ( blah blah etc.. ), I guess I dont think it exists... but then maybe I do.. If someone shows me a dead one ! Then when another BFRO'er shows up they stick up for them ?

bf is truly a cult. It is about self denial and should be listed in the Big Book ! Oh wait.. It is.. In many manifestations and diagnosis.
 
I was never a footer and when I posted on the BFF it was as a skeptic and I got a lot of crap for it. So, I post here and get a lot of crap for it. I never saw one single BF movie, not even the infamous Boggy Creek, and when I did discover that people thought this thing was real, I analyzed it and read the encounters and finally decided there was no way in hell it could exist.

Why does being a skeptic preclude having fun with a topic?
 
There isn't a problem with having fun with a topic. It is having fun with people by acting deceptively and treating them as toys.

I am not imagining what I see with my own eyes. Tom and others mention it and really we are being called stupid or extremely gullible if we are asked to believe otherwise.

In debate classes people are actually encouraged to take positions opposite to their beliefs in order to train and become experts in dishonest exchange. It is a skill some admire, but I don't and believe it goes against the purposes established by James Randi. It comes down to honesty as a core value.

The cult analogy is a good one, with the Noble Lie as the core value instead.

It isn't the point for me that a person poses either as "for" or "against" bigfoot. It is rejection of the Noble Lie, of emotional manipulation, of deployment of logical fallacies, of turning critical thinking on and off at will depending on whether you like someone or not.

It really isn't saying much at all of your intellect if you reject this stupid myth. You can do that and still retain most or all of the nasty tricks you learned in the 'footer trade. "I can't prove a point, but I can get you angry." I can act obtuse just to be a pain in the butt. It's fun to give people the run-around.
 
AttorneyTom said:
Hey.. I can appreciate that and understand it.

That said. Why do so many pop over here and do this..

I believe in bf or used to ( blah.. blah.. blah lame story), Oh.. maybe I dont.. ( blah blah etc.. ), I guess I dont think it exists... but then maybe I do.. If someone shows me a dead one ! Then when another BFRO'er shows up they stick up for them ?

bf is truly a cult. It is about self denial and should be listed in the Big Book ! Oh wait.. It is.. In many manifestations and diagnosis.
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The BF enthusiasts that do the hit and run stuff most certainly fall in the space that you are talking about, the regulars that post here I think have spoke up ~ out & against the cult in many ways, an occasional positive BF tone post once in a while should be looked at but not necessarily a cause for alarm.
I think the folks that are posting here now do a good job at checking the facts and making sure things are as accurate as can be, lot's of work has to be done to verify the misleading way the footers publish the leaks.
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
There isn't a problem with having fun with a topic. It is having fun with people by acting deceptively and treating them as toys.

I am not imagining what I see with my own eyes. Tom and others mention it and really we are being called stupid or extremely gullible if we are asked to believe otherwise.

In debate classes people are actually encouraged to take positions opposite to their beliefs in order to train and become experts in dishonest exchange. It is a skill some admire, but I don't and believe it goes against the purposes established by James Randi. It comes down to honesty as a core value.

The cult analogy is a good one, with the Noble Lie as the core value instead.

It isn't the point for me that a person poses either as "for" or "against" bigfoot. It is rejection of the Noble Lie, of emotional manipulation, of deployment of logical fallacies, of turning critical thinking on and off at will depending on whether you like someone or not.

It really isn't saying much at all of your intellect if you reject this stupid myth. You can do that and still retain most or all of the nasty tricks you learned in the 'footer trade. "I can't prove a point, but I can get you angry." I can act obtuse just to be a pain in the butt. It's fun to give people the run-around.
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Usually what bothers one the most are characteristics that they themselves exhibit as a defense mechanism when they know they've lost the argument and can't come up with a better rebuttal than to be insulting or "poison the well" with whatever insight it is they think they might have from a post on a forum. Your impressions are probably just like bigfoot, living strictly in your imagination. Rather than be rude and assume there is some kind of hidden motive, why not just ask the person why they said what they said?
 
AlaskaBushPilot said:
...........I am not imagining what I see with my own eyes.........
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Isn't this the very thing that you accuse "bleevers" of? Believing their own eyes, and not producing evidence? Sort of leaves you vulnerable to an accusation of hypocrisy, wouldn't you say?

Mike
 
Jodie said:
Let me ask you guys something, if the mythical bigfoot stepped out of the underbrush onto a trail you happened to be hiking, and you got a really good look at him from head to toe standing six feet away from you, would you tell anyone?
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Yes, I would. After getting over my initial shock I'd zero in and scrutinize it from head too toe like Sherlock Holms. Then I'd use my cell phone's camera and take photos and look for hair samples etc.
 
I'll confess to muddle-headedness. I see the world much more ambiguously than many seem to do. Bigfoot, I seriously doubt. Is it without a doubt an untrue myth? I cannot take that step.

Most people who believe in Bigfoot do so because the idea of the existence of a near-human thing in the hinterlands captures their imagination. Those that take it really seriously see themselves as singularly, potentially adding to the knowing of the world. The motive for belief is in the belief itself. It is cynical, to my mind, to reduce the whole affair to con-jobs and manipulation for profit. (Although Matt Moneymaker is a living, breathing counter-example to my view.)
 
Jodie said:
Let me ask you guys something, if the mythical bigfoot stepped out of the underbrush onto a trail you happened to be hiking, and you got a really good look at him from head to toe standing six feet away from you, would you tell anyone?
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If I came to my skepticism due to my understanding of the issues, I would also have to accept this new information, if vivid and not ambiguous--- and I would talk my ass off.
 
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