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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

lionking said:
The only photo I saw was 7 years old. Do you have a link to a later one?
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The pic was just shown on my local NBC affiliate station 11:00pm news show - I did a quick google and it's not up yet - the station website doesn't have it up either.
 
StankApe said:
anglo

Yeah I mentioned earlier that I suspect the Mexican Drug Cartels would start shipping guns into the USA the second a ban took place. I suspect I would be proven correct if a ban ever occurred.
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I think you are most probably right. You could end up with something worse.

Maybe a gradual approach based on more licensing and regulation would be more practicable. Aren't there some states where you can walk into a shop and buy a weapon?
 
anglolawyer said:
Couple of things about gun control in the US: (1) is it something to do with the relationship between citizen and state that in the land of the free the state should not have a monopoly of force? and (2) say private gun ownership were outlawed - how would you disarm everybody?

Someone made an interesting point about the dangerous and socially destabilising illegal arms trade that might break out if guns were banned, like prohibition. I think the US will keep its guns a while longer.
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1. That's what it's come to mean for many, but early on it had more to do with the British & the natives.

2. Very poorly. There are a LOT of unregistered guns out there & the common refrain I hear from owners is "The main reason I have a boat is If they ever come for my registered ones, it'll be a lot more believable when I tell'em that they (the guns) fell overboard when I was fishing."
 
scarlettinlondon said:
I think you should give up that right. I think you should voluntarily and with glee give up that right. I don't think your right to have a gun outweighs the rights of those children to life.

Before you say it, I know you didn't kill them. I am sure you are responsible.

Someone else wasn't. You sound to me like a child saying it wasn't my stone that broke the window, therefore mummy shouldn't have come and stopped me from throwing stones around the garden
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POS's mother (dead mother) is obviously responsible - they were her legally owned and legally held guns.
 
anglolawyer said:
Can someone explain what a semi- automatic weapon is?
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The firearm fires one shot for a single pull of the trigger, using a system of operation where the piece will mechanically load each subsequent cartridge into the firing chamber until the supply of ammunition in a fixed or removable magazine is exhausted. Semi-auto and fully automatic designs have been around since the late 1800's.
 
Redtail said:
1. That's what it's come to mean for many, but early on it had more to do with the British & the natives.

2. Very poorly. There are a LOT of unregistered guns out there & the common refrain I hear from owners is "The main reason I have a boat is If they ever come for my registered ones, it'll be a lot more believable when I tell'em that they (the guns) fell overboard when I was fishing."
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On 1, the Americans created their own state in a way some of us over here don't understand. Here, we are supposed to feel grateful or lucky to be allowed to have rights but I can imagine Americans sort of reluctantly tolerate having to have a government and view their rights as innate. It's like the French. They had a proper revolution, chopping heads off and such, while our rights are hand-me-downs from a paternalist ruling class which still has a foothold.
 
BStrong said:
The firearm fires one shot for a single pull of the trigger, using a system of operation where the piece will mechanically load each subsequent cartridge into the firing chamber until the supply of ammunition in a fixed or removable magazine is exhausted. Semi-auto and fully automatic designs have been around since the late 1800's.
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So, is a cowboy's six gun a semi?
 
anglolawyer said:
Can someone explain what a semi- automatic weapon is?
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A weapon that fires every time you pull the trigger & loads a round into the chamber itself ready to fire.

Automatic does the same but will keep firing as long as you hold the trigger down. ( until it's out of ammo.)
 
anglolawyer said:
Can someone explain what a semi- automatic weapon is?
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A fully automatic weapon fires multiple rounds in quick succesion when the trigger is pulled. A semi automatic weapon will fire one round for each pull of the trigger. Firing the next round only requires pulling the trigger again. A manual weapon requires some other action such as moving a bolt to chamber the next round before the weapon can be fired again.
 
Kestrel said:
A fully automatic weapon fires multiple rounds in quick succesion when the trigger is pulled. A semi automatic weapon will fire one round for each pull of the trigger. Firing the next round only requires pulling the trigger again. A manual weapon requires some other action such as moving a bolt to chamber the next round before the weapon can be fired again.
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Thanks for the replies. So just about every hand gun is a semi? Is there talk of outlawing these?
 
anglolawyer said:
So, is a cowboy's six gun a semi?
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Firearms considered semi or full automatic typically use the force generated by firing the first round to chamber the next one and make the weapon ready to fire.

Revolvers are considered a separate category. Some require a sperate cocking action, in others the mechanical pull on the trigger moves the cylinder into position and cocks the hammer.
 
Kestrel said:
Firearms considered semi or full automatic typically use the force generated by firing the first round to chamber the next one and make the weapon ready to fire.

Revolvers are considered a separate category. Some require a sperate cocking action, in others the mechanical pull on the trigger moves the cylinder into position and cocks the hammer.
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OK thanks. So a luger would be a semi I guess.
 
anglolawyer said:
Thanks for the replies. So just about every hand gun is a semi? Is there talk of outlawing these?
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Handguns are by far the most common weapon used for homicide and other crimes involving firearms. From a public policy standpoint, making it more costly and difficult for criminals to obtain handguns is where our efforts should be focused.

Firearms manufacturers have a different perspective. Only a small part of the population are active hunters. Hunting rifles and shotguns don't get used very often and typically outlast their owners. But if you can convince people that they need to pack a handgun at all times for personal safety, you can sell a lot more guns.
 
Kestrel said:
Handguns are by far the most common weapon used for homicide and other crimes involving firearms. From a public policy standpoint, making it more costly and difficult for criminals to obtain handguns is where our efforts should be focused.

Firearms manufacturers have a different perspective. Only a small part of the population are active hunters. Hunting rifles and shotguns don't get used very often and typically outlast their owners. But if you can convince people that they need to pack a handgun at all times for personal safety, you can sell a lot more guns.
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Maybe you could require gun owners to demonstrate safe custody of their weapons with locked cabinets, annual checks etc. Whatever. It would not stop these incidents though. We introduced even stricter gun laws than we already had after Dunblane but we have had other mass shootings since. There is no defence that does not address underlying social ills (maybe not that either). I know that's nebulous but these incidents are recent in origin and I believe they express some modern social ill. Over to the psychologists and sociologists to work out what.
 
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