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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

LTC8K6 said:
If it was dealers, then the feds should arrest them and revoke their FFL.

It's a federal felony already.

Why wouldn't they arrest the sellers of the guns?

Why wasn't Omar a cop?
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They should require law enforcement to continually audit these shows
 
LTC8K6 said:
If it was dealers, then the feds should arrest them and revoke their FFL.

It's a federal felony already.

Why wouldn't they arrest the sellers of the guns?

Why wasn't Omar a cop?
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Good question.

The answer is that we now have a whole slough of self appointed "investigators" that for some strange reason believe that they're exempt from the law.

Recently, an as yet unidentified individual on camera created what in California would be an unregistered assault weapon, a felony w/o being licensed, but since it was in the pursuit of journalism, it appears the law doesn't apply.
 
LTC8K6 said:
The article says the police were at the show...

It's a shame that the people who did the show allowed felonies to go unreported, with police right there.
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Undercover cops should test dealers much like they do with alcohol dealers
 
lionking said:
You are not free to own whatever you want. As someone pointed out earlier, there is a line preventing you from owning a bazooka. The line is drawn at semi-automatic and above in Australia. It's possible to move the line in the US. That's how democracy works.
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Why should the line be sem-auto? how do you think this saves lives? double action revolvers fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, a mad shooter can carry 4 of those and that's 24 rounds before he has to reload(and in the chaos of the attack he will be free to reload as he walks around) and as previously mentioned criminals don't care about gun laws. and like I mentioned before, having a pretty porous border with a country who' criminal underworld would be more than happy to add gun smuggling to their list of endeavors.
 
thaiboxerken said:
They should require law enforcement to continually audit these shows
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They do.

To enter or exit the big local show, you have to be cleared by SFPD - all firearms brought in by members of the public are examined to ensure that the piece is empty and are legal, the actions are secured by a flexicuff, and any firearm leaving is checked again - anyone walking out with a modern firearm without paperwork better have had brought it in with them, or enforcment begines.

Other large shows in other states that I have attended are similar or even more strict.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Oh, and there is a gun show loophole:
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So you are claiming that prior to passage of the FOPA in 1986 there was a requirement for private sellers to obtain a background check and that passage of the bill did away with the requirement? I don't think so. While the Brady bill required background checks, it only required that dealers do them.

Ranb
 
StankApe said:
Why should the line be sem-auto? how do you think this saves lives? double action revolvers fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, a mad shooter can carry 4 of those and that's 24 rounds before he has to reload(and in the chaos of the attack he will be free to reload as he walks around) and as previously mentioned criminals don't care about gun laws. and like I mentioned before, having a pretty porous border with a country who' criminal underworld would be more than happy to add gun smuggling to their list of endeavors.
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It has saved lives in Australia. See post #585. And the only cost was a handful of butthurt "sporting shooters". This ban was strongly supported by the public. I reckon over 90% of the population still support the ban on semi-automatics.
 
I see you ignored the parts where i pointed out that we can have truckloads of guns in our country in a matter of hour after any such ban (unlike Australia where they would have to come on a boat and would be seized much easier)

I don't believe in taking rights away from people because some loon "might" do something. any country that would is,IMO, tyrannical in nature.
 
Ranb said:
So you are claiming that prior to passage of the FOPA in 1986 there was a requirement for private sellers to obtain a background check and that passage of the bill did away with the requirement? I don't think so. While the Brady bill required background checks, it only required that dealers do them.

Ranb
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Don't stop him, he's on a roll.
 
LTC8K6 said:
Almost certainly, but the article doesn't go into details, so we can't really tell what went on with the sales.
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If you are that certain, then you must know. I did not read anything in the article that claimed laws were broken, in fact it claimed that he did not want to.

Over the course of the hour, Samaha purchased 10 guns: three rifles, four shotguns, one handgun. He could have purchased many more handguns, but he wanted to abide by Virginia State law, which allows the purchase of one handgun per month, and two assault weapons.
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Even though Samaha immediately turned in all the weapons he bought at the gun show to the Richmond Police Department, Nunziato pointed out that if Samaha had wanted to, he could have caused a lot of damage with the guns he purchased.
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It seems the police didn't have a problem with what he did. I am not aware of any ID requirements for buying a gun from an unlicensed individual in VA.

So what laws did he break?

Ranb
 
StankApe said:
I see you ignored the parts where i pointed out that we can have truckloads of guns in our country in a matter of hour after any such ban (unlike Australia where they would have to come on a boat and would be seized much easier)

I don't believe in taking rights away from people because some loon "might" do something. any country that would is,IMO, tyrannical in nature.
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And you ignored my point about a semi-automatic ban saving lives.
 
I would like to see how it was the semi-automatics that were doing all the killing....

Is there a gang problem in Australia?
 
LTC8K6 said:
The article says the police were at the show...

It's a shame that the people who did the show allowed felonies to go unreported, with police right there.
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Exactly what felonies? If you make an accusation, then you can be specific?

Ranb
 
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LTC8K6 said:
We have a boatload of gun laws and regulations already, don't we?

The criminals obey none of them.
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And that's the awful truth.

I've seen comments about enacting tough gun laws like they have in Canada and how much safer Canada is because of it.

However, Canada's gun laws didn't prevent the mass shooting at Brampton (Ontario, Canada) Centennial Secondary School many years ago and Canada has the same laws today as they did back then.

Canada's hand gun laws are VERY restrictive with special licensing, registration, prohibition of many types, ammunition capacity limits and restrictions on transportation and usage. Yet none of these laws have done anything to deter their use in several shootings this year.

The bottom line is that the people who will abide stricter gun control are people not inclined to commit such violent crimes to begin with. The bad people are going to continue to do what they do regardless of the laws.

The issue is much deeper than gun control...
 
Ranb said:
If you are that certain, then you must know. I did not read anything in the article that claimed laws were broken, in fact it claimed that he did not want to.




It seems the police didn't have a problem with what he did. I am not aware of any ID requirements for buying a gun from an unlicensed individual in VA.

So what laws did he break?

Ranb
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My only thought is where his actual legal residence was - if he had a residence, car registration and insurance in VA, no problem, but if not, and his state of residence had restrictions in place (think California kid going to BYU) he may have been in violation.
 
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