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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

Something has to happen, I guess something will happen. If you tighten gun control you wont get safer country overnight. But in 50 years, who knows.
And yes, I know Breivik had his guns legal. But we here have a lot less such incidents than you do.

I mean bans cannot prevent this .. but maybe they can lower the chance. Every live counts.
 
Then I suppose America and Americans should stop telling other countries what to do with their laws?

yep, I wouldn't sit here and tell people in the UK what they should or shouldn't do with their laws and/or PM's ...etc none of my bidness

Unless a country messes with us to the extent we have to engage in conflict, or request aid, I am not in favor of telling other countries what they should or shouldn't be doing in their own backyards.
 
and pardon me for saying this, but anyone who doesn't live in the USA has no business telling us what we should or shouldn't be doing in regards to our constitution.

Why?

I personally think more input from various sources helps.
 
Would you be saying the same thing about rifles or shotguns if those types were used? If I recall, there is no shortage of those kinds of fireams in the USA and where you live.

Ranb

Personally, I'd like to see all guns banned, but can accept that there are some legal uses for them. Legal uses do not include self defence. And, compared to the US, I would say that there is a relative shortage.

Automatics and semi-automatics have been banned since the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, and there has been a lack of multiple killings with firearms since.

ETA, just checked. Around 5% of the population of Australia own firearms, modtly for either hunting of killing feral animals.
 
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I grew up in Newtown. This happened down the road from my father. I still live about a half-hour away. These were not my children, but they could easily have been the children of my classmates.

Right now, it doesn't matter how he got the bloody guns. He had them, and he used them, and twenty children and at least six innocent adults are dead.

My sincere condolences to the parents and relatives of the victims, and to the responders who have to deal with this horrible tragedy as well.
 
If having a gun was illegal, it would be easier to identify if a crazy person was going to use a gun to kill people.

That's not actually an answer to the question. At least, not a sound answer.

I'll certainly allow that access to firearms makes certain crimes easier, answering the questions of why people wish to commit these crimes and how they can be identified before doing so would probably be much more productive than a blanket ban on guns.
 
I think our differences are because of what we consider to be 'normal'. Because I come from the UK I see a gun free country as normal and therefore the pro gun lobby as irrational. Because I am frightened about a gun toting culture I am struggling to see it as normal.

It may be the case that you see gun ownership as normal, and my insistance that it's dangerous as bizarre.
Perhaps you are as frightened by the concept of your guns being taken away from you by law as I am by the prospect of living in a country full of guns.

Because I was frankly bemused as to why I am called delusional, silly, and irrational for insisting that a gun free country is better. I don't have any experience of living in a gun carrying culture. Perhaps it feels as safe to you as a gun free society feels to me.

Do you feel protected personally by guns? Or are they for recreational shooting? (which we also have in the UK by the way, safely and freely, in gun clubs)

So here in the UK you can carry a gun if you want for hunting. For protecting your land from predators if you are a farmer. For recreational target shooting. You can keep guns locked up in a case at home securely if you are any one of thos people. Some policeman who are specially trained can also carry them if the situation warrants.

What we don't have is guns available for those who cannot demonstrate one of the above. Ie, if you are carrying a gun for any other purpose. You cannot carry a gun to defend yourself. There is no need because there aren't guns about to defend yourself from.

Are you so frightened of your fellow citizens that you feel the need to protect yourself with fire arms?

In london, lots of people have a readily available bat, rolling pin or similar behind their front door. Not most, but enough. I carry a maglight in my camper van for the same reason, but not in my house.

I understand the need to feel secure in your own home. Luckily in the UK I will likely never need my maglight. This is because burglars don't go about armed in general. A swat to the head will be enough.

Can you see that I am trying to see your points of view?
I understand the need to feel safe. From experience, in a gun free culture, I feel generally safe walking about the streets of London. I take care not be in truly unsafe situations. I would really really hate to have a gun at home. I would hate to feel it was neccessary. I will feel very scared if I felt that I needed one.

Do you feel that unsafe in your own country?
 
Personally, I'd like to see all guns banned, but can accept that there are some legal uses for them. Legal uses do not include self defence. And, compared to the US, I would say that there is a relative shortage.

Automatics and semi-automatics have been banned since the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, and there has been a lack of multiple killings with firearms since.

It's hard to compare the two countries though. Australia has one 15th the population of the USA and has no border really, so any illegal guns shipped in have to come on ships and that's a lot tougher to pull off then just paying the border cop off and driving 20 semi trucks filled to the brim across the vast border of Mexico and the USA.
 
Suppose it could be demonstrated that stricter gun control laws would lead to significantly fewer homicides per year. Would any of the pro-gun people present then support stricter gun control laws?
 
That's not actually an answer to the question. At least, not a sound answer.

I'll certainly allow that access to firearms makes certain crimes easier, answering the questions of why people wish to commit these crimes and how they can be identified before doing so would probably be much more productive than a blanket ban on guns.

I think doing both would be even more effective.
 
Suppose it could be demonstrated that stricter gun control laws would lead to significantly fewer homicides per year. Would any of the pro-gun people present then support stricter gun control laws?

Maybe. Can you present any examples that have worked?
 
For someone planning to rob a liquor store (or kill a kindergarten class), the idea of having to break any local firearms statutes to do it wouldn't stop them.

Therefore, let's make it easier for criminals to get guns.
 
It's hard to compare the two countries though. Australia has one 15th the population of the USA and has no border really, so any illegal guns shipped in have to come on ships and that's a lot tougher to pull off then just paying the border cop off and driving 20 semi trucks filled to the brim across the vast border of Mexico and the USA.

The problem in the US is not illegal guns, and I don't see the relevance to my post.
 
I don't understand why you don't just arm all the teachers.

Dear Dr,

Yes, I agree entirely. Are they worried the elementary students are going to tackle a teacher and snatch a pistol?

Cpl Ferro
 
I don't own any guns. I don't hunt nor target shoot, there have been a few times I wish I owned a gun (my house was burglarized while I was home just 6 months ago). But I defend the rights of my fellow Americans to own guns. I also know that a ban would just be another Prohibition, with the underworld battling to control the gun market and probably increase violence rather than stop it.
 

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