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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

Ranb said:
So why jump in with the others making loony claims? It does nothing to support your claim at all.

Ranb
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My "argument" is simple disbelief that this guy would've found a way to kill all those children if he didn't have access to a gun. I think it's more believable to think that without a gun, the guy would've decided not to try because of the difficulty of committing the task without a gun.
 
StankApe said:
No, the opposing argument is that he would have gotten a gun anyway.
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It doesn't have to be that way. Handguns are extremely hard to get hold of in Australia. The problem is that somebody in the US can just snap, and be able to easily arm himself with deadly weapons and go on a spur of the moment killing spree.
 
StankApe said:
stundie worthy.............


Pray tell , inform us how your keen insight into the criminal mind would have you identifying these people due to gun illegality.
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No. If you criminalise gun ownership you get the assumption that guys carrying guns are up to no good automatically. There are fewer about and so they are less easy to get hold of and if you do so, you are already breaking the law. You are therefore more likely to get to the naughty fellas before they shoot anyone up, because they can be arrested for just having a gun.

you still cannot prevent the very determined shooter, we can't totally eradicate it in the UK. It's HARDER to get them thats all, it's criminal to get them so you can get stopped at any point along the gun ownership route. Asking for one, going to a pub to buy one, selling one in the pub, advertising one. You just can't get them as easily. therefore we have fewer gun related crimes in the UK, not no crime.
 
StankApe said:
stundie worthy.............


Pray tell , inform us how your keen insight into the criminal mind would have you identifying these people due to gun illegality.
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Guy has gun. Police arrest him for having a gun. There you go.
 
John Mekki said:
I do not see much the point of this fuss..
Again..

29 people killed.
I feel sorry for them, but who are they in the economy of all the lives of the world?
So far, all the shootings that happened in the US barely affected the lives of 0.01% of the citizens, so why are they of any relevancy for the great majority of the people?

In other words..
Why should we care?
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People care. If we stop caring, we stop being human.

A couple of years ago, I was sitting in the dining room of Churches House in Dunblane, eating dinner. Idly, I admired a pretty cross-stitch picture framed on the wall. It showed a sunlit school playground, with a number of children playing with balls, skipping ropes and such things. A female teacher watched over them benignly from a doorway.

Slowly, realisation dawned. Sixteen children, caught forever in a sunlit moment. One teacher. The words, in neat cross-stitch along the bottom. "Remember the children."

I burst into tears right there.

If we stop feeling about this, we stop being human.

Rolfe.
 
Look folks, making things illegal has never stopped anyone from doing anything they really wanted to do. Booze, drugs...whatever it was.

In a country this vast, this populated and this pop culture driven, these sorts of things are gonna happen sometimes. It's awful and i wish there was some way we could stop it . But unless we have 24 hr Big Brother watching every single person ,it's just impossible.

It's easy to look back and go 'well he was acting strangely leading up to the final days...blahblahblah" but we can't lock people up cuz we think they might commit a crime. We KNOW that a gun ban won't work as people who are planning on committing these sorts outbursts don't care about legality, they don't even plan on living....

I wish there was an easy solution to this, but I don't think there is really anything we can do to stop it. I guess we could ban media coverage of it. But that's an even worse case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. (and that probably wouldn't do much to stop it either).

a damaged mind is impossible to predict, and a person who has fully committed to dying in a hail of gunfire is really impossible to stop. There's nothing rational going on there that can be predicted or reasoned with.

It's a terrible tragedy, and there will be others. It's the price we pay to have the freedom to go where we want, say what we want, own what we want and do what we want.

It sucks, but the alternative is worse
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
No, it is the nutcase shooting the gun.
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Without the gun you just get the nutcase.

There is a gun involved in every single shooting. The fella on the other end of the gun may be a nutcase. He may be disturbed. He may be depressed. He may be angry. He may be suicidal. He may be sad.

The gun is always a gun. Any one of thse fellas described above might have not shot children if they didn't have access to a gun.
 
lionking said:
It doesn't have to be that way. Handguns are extremely hard to get hold of in Australia. The problem is that somebody in the US can just snap, and be able to easily arm himself with deadly weapons and go on a spur of the moment killing spree.
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Would you be saying the same thing about rifles or shotguns if those types were used? If I recall, there is no shortage of those kinds of fireams in the USA and where you live.

Ranb
 
scarlettinlondon said:
Without the gun you just get the nutcase.

There is a gun involved in every single shooting. The fella on the other end of the gun may be a nutcase. He may be disturbed. He may be depressed. He may be angry. He may be suicidal. He may be sad.

The gun is always a gun. Any one of thse fellas described above might have not shot children if they didn't have access to a gun.
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Again you seem to equate not being able to own a gun legally with not being able to own a gun.
 
scarlettinlondon said:
No. If you criminalise gun ownership you get the assumption that guys carrying guns are up to no good automatically. There are fewer about and so they are less easy to get hold of and if you do so, you are already breaking the law. You are therefore more likely to get to the naughty fellas before they shoot anyone up, because they can be arrested for just having a gun.

you still cannot prevent the very determined shooter, we can't totally eradicate it in the UK. It's HARDER to get them thats all, it's criminal to get them so you can get stopped at any point along the gun ownership route. Asking for one, going to a pub to buy one, selling one in the pub, advertising one. You just can't get them as easily. therefore we have fewer gun related crimes in the UK, not no crime.
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How many people on their way to commit a massive public shooting have been stopped due to being spotted with guns? none that i know of. How is it that you think they are going to be caught? They weren't walking down the street with their guns for weeks leading up to the shootings.

You buy an illegal weapon, you take it home, you put it in your basement, you plot your insane attack. You drive to the scene and pull out your guns and start shooting. I see no prevention there.
 
and pardon me for saying this, but anyone who doesn't live in the USA has no business telling us what we should or shouldn't be doing in regards to our constitution.
 
StankApe said:
and pardon me for saying this, but anyone who doesn't live in the USA has no business telling us what we should or shouldn't be doing in regards to our constitution.
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Then I suppose America and Americans should stop telling other countries what to do with their laws?
 
lol, your silly fanatic OMG WE ARE ALL DOOMED! thinking is cracking me up

your opinion is akin to the leftist Jack Chick
 
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