Merged The election was stolen/rigged!

[Multivac]

No, of course it wasn't rigged.

Are you seriously calling Obama an elitist? Really?

Please just face the fact that a lot of Americans thought that Romney was scary and/or incompetent, so he lost.

 

[Tolls]

So, in states that vote Republican they voted Republican and Obama didn't win so that is evidence of fraud?

It's absurd isn't it?
Indiana is the only one of those that voted for Obama last time around, and only just. You've got to go back to '64 for the last D win. '64 again for Kansas, '96 for Tennessee, '92 for Georgia.

 

[remirol]

Just the idea that the red states are so middle America makes me wonder how they could vote for an obvious elitist who has treated workers as fodder?

Middle refers to geographically, not politically. The red states are filled with a bunch of rural "I DONE IT MAHSELF" types who are insulated from a large portion of modern society -- especially the part involving bouncing off people who aren't like you, who don't think like you, and who don't have the same interests you do. So they tend to lean conservative to begin with, and it only gets exacerbated around election season; they're very fearful of change and Bush spent eight years catering to fear.

Of course, you can see the pockets of blue around the major cities in those states, where you are required to interact with people totally unlike you on a regular basis, and thus start to get an appreciation for two things:

1) Everyone's different and everyone's situation is different. Some got it easier, some got it a lot harder.
2) It's ok for people to not agree with you and still be good people.

 

[BenBurch]

Yes, it was rigged. If it hadn't been rigged, Obama would have won in a landslide.

 

[Straw Man]

A radio show where the only evidence of voter fraud is anecdotal is not evidence, Robert.

Why is it that Cuccinelli's office released this statement?

“There is no question that President Obama legitimately won re-election. Ken was simply talking about the fact that there were problems on election day which need to be addressed.”

There's another witness scratched off your list.

Any luck finding those Romney voters you said existed?

 

[Travis]

How many people are actually kept in a vegetable state? Is it millions? Is the allegation that nurses, of all people, somehow voted for millions of patients?

 

[Straw Man]

Are all nurses Democrats?

 

[Wildy]

Of course it was. Don't you people read QStar news?


In the real world I'd be inclined to say no.

 

[Dcdrac]

No simple as that.

 

[JayUtah]

From: Washington Post

No, simply a regurgitation of the WMAL anonymous anecdotes, already dealt with. You're going in circles -- no fringe reset for you.

Cuccinelli's press secretary had to do damage control. From your article: "Brian J. Gottstein, Cuccinelli’s communications director, said Cuccinelli was not suggesting that the election had been stolen, but merely echoing the hosts’ frustrations with his inability to launch voter fraud investigations."

You gotta love off-the-cuff remarks that have to be officially retracted later.

"Virginia law doesn’t allow him to open investigations into election irregularities on his own."

This wrongly implies that election irregularities cannot be investigated and prosecuted in Virginia. In fact, the Virginia State Board of Elections (a GOP-controlled committee!) has original jurisdiction in regulating elections and enforcing election law, just as the Building Inspector's office in Utah has original jurisdiction over building and housing code violations, and our Professional Licensing Board has original jurisdiction over professional misconduct in licensed professions. Many states organize their executive branches this way. Let the attorney-general boo-hoo all he wants; he's not being improperly or especially disadvantaged.

It's not that electoral fraud goes unpunished in Virginia -- it's that a different, specialized office of the executive is responsible for investigating and bringing charges. These charges are no less valid prosecutions. These Republicans are no less valid a law-enforcement body. Yet they do not act here. Why not?

In all cases the problem would be the same: evidence. Whether investigated by the attorney-general or by the election board, the witnesses alleging these election irregularities would still have to come forward and swear under penalty of perjury that their testimony is true. Why won't any of WMAL's anonymous callers do that? Is it because there's a huge difference in making an anonymous phone call to a radio station telling wild tales of how the election was stolen, and actually taking legal and intellectual responsibility for one's accusation?

 

[Rich_C]

A radio show where the only evidence of voter fraud is anecdotal is not evidence, Robert.

Why is it that Cuccinelli's office released this statement?

“There is no question that President Obama legitimately won re-election. Ken was simply talking about the fact that there were problems on election day which need to be addressed.”

There's another witness scratched off your list.

Any luck finding those Romney voters you said existed?

We've had 3+ years in Virginia of Cuccinelli spouting nonsense and having to backtrack later. There's going to be a nasty primary fight for governor next year, and Cuccinelli is going to be in the middle of it. Even though I will probably vote Democratic and Cuccinelli would probably be easier to beat, I hope the Republicans choose someone else. I don't want any chance he becomes governor.

 

[Robert Prey]

A radio show where the only evidence of voter fraud is anecdotal is not evidence, Robert.

Why is it that Cuccinelli's office released this statement?

“There is no question that President Obama legitimately won re-election. Ken was simply talking about the fact that there were problems on election day which need to be addressed.”

An un-sourced quote from an un-named person. Not worthy of a response.

 

[mikeyx]

An un-sourced quote from an un-named person. Not worthy of a response.

Robert, PUUUUUUUUUUUlease. YOUR side dragged their feet on nominating Romney as long as they could, he lost because he wasn't a credible candidate, kind like your posts and credibility, the not part.

 

[Robert Prey]

How many people are actually kept in a vegetable state? Is it millions? Is the allegation that nurses, of all people, somehow voted for millions of patients?

If you add up all the single women who need the government for a substitute husband, add to that all of the illegal aliens who voted illegally, and all of the racists who voted based on Obama's alleged race, whether Black or Asian, and all of the government workers expecting to cash in on their lavish pension gravy train, and all of the union workers, bought off with funds stolen from taxpayers, and ditto, all of the teachers, and all of the students receiving interest and loan forgiveness, and the one out of nine Americans on food stamps, and all those who were conned by Obamacare's impossible promises, and all of the LGBTQs and all of the Hollywood airheads -- when you add up all those together, along with the vegetables, well, it really does add up.

 

[Tomtomkent]

An un-sourced quote from an un-named person. Not worthy of a response.

Unsourced? It was fully acredited to Cuccinellis office.

Maybe you have read the quote before here:
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/27/life-on-the-voter-fraud-fringe/

http://features.rr.com/quote/09kr6uyftY9Y7?q=obama

Wow, all of fisteen seconds to varify....

 

[Straw Man]

An un-sourced quote from an un-named person. Not worthy of a response.

I apologise, I thought that evidence from unnamed sources was how you roll.

Here you go, from the Virginian-Pilot, Noah Wall's latest statement covering the ass of his boss.

 

[Tomtomkent]

The questions:

How many people are actually kept in a vegetable
state? Is it millions? Is the allegation that nurses, of all people, somehow voted for millions of patients?

The answers:

If you add up all the single women who need the government for a substitute husband

But these are not people who are kept in a vegative state or their nurses. So this does not address the question.

add to that all of the illegal aliens who voted illegally

Still not the people the question discussed. Oh, and feel free to prove this happened any time you want.

and all of the racists who voted based on Obama's alleged race

Nope, not people kept in a vegative state or their nurses. And Obamas alleged race? Do you mean the people who voted for him because he alleged to be American?

whether Black or Asian,

Black is a race? Really? And where is the fine nation of Black?

and all of the government workers expecting to cash in on their lavish pension gravy train,

Nope, still not the people the question asked about...

and all of the union workers, bought off with funds stolen from taxpayers,

Nope STILL not the people the question was about... Oh and feel free to prove that votes were cast for this reason.

and ditto, all of the teachers,

Unless you live in a very strange fantasy land I do not think teachers are in a vegative state.

and all of the students receiving interest and loan forgiveness,

Is there any risk of the question being addressed yet?

and the one out of nine Americans on food stamps,

Guess not... Maybe you will mention those in vegative states in a second...

and all those who were conned by Obamacare's impossible promises,

Yes. Because state funded healthcare is impossible. Why look at all those countries that have it. They cab't possibly exist. We are at least talking about hospitals now. How about nurses and their patients in vegative states?

and all of the LGBTQs

Nope. Try again...

and all of the Hollywood airheads

Still not answering the question...

-- when you add up all those together,

So when we add together literally everybody who voted....

along with the vegetables,

...to the people the question was about...

well, it really does add up.

And you don't even tell us what it adds up to?

Okay, truth be told I don't want to know what the vegetables AND everybody else adds up to, nor did Travis when he asked the questions.

How about you just tell us what the vegetables ALONE add up to? Did the nurses vote for them or not?

 

[JayUtah]

An un-sourced quote from an un-named person. Not worthy of a response.

...says the guy who cites unsourced and unnamed callers to a radio program.

 

[JayUtah]

...when you add up all those together, along with the vegetables, well, it really does add up.

Hilarious. We ask for evidence of voter fraud, and you give us one of the most partisan, bigoted rants I've seen in a long time -- with no evidence.

Sorry, Robert, lurid tales of nurses voting for incapacitated patients, told by anonymous callers to a radio program, is not credible evidence. Nor is there any valid excuse for the GOP-controlled elections board -- which has the statutory authority in Virginia to investigate and prosecute claims of voter fraud -- not to follow up on any of these claims if there is any evidence for them.

Expressions of your pseudo-moral disapprobation for various classes of American citizens are off-topic and irrelevant, unless you can prove any of them additionally voted illegally. Equally off-topic is your belief that illegal residents may have voted, unless you can prove any actually did in any significant numbers. You continue to spin the thread with unproven claims that any who voted for your political enemy "must" therefore have done so illegally. That is the immature line of reasoning being foisted on the voting public by GOP-sympathetic pundits.

However, omitting the "vegetables," we find that the minorities, taken collectively, do add up. Which is to say, that's what the GOP leadership is slowly beginning to realize. Historically the GOP has aimed for a certain core demographic. In the 2000 and 2004 Presidential elections, their political strategy revolved around structuring the secondary ballot measures such as immigration and social issues so as to attract more of this key demographic to the polls. It worked, since people who responded to those alarmist ballot measures also voted Republican while they were there.

In 2008 the GOP captured their core demographic again, but admitted they were unable to sway enough moderates to their side to compensate for the public perception that the economic meltdown had occurred on the Republican watch, and that the running mate was not a credible candidate. In short, there probably wasn't a ticket they could have fielded that would have won them the 2008 Presidential election, but the ticket they fielded didn't help them any.

However, the key factor that emerged from the 2008 Presidential election was the validation of the GOP's preferred polling model. It accounted for the moderates that nevertheless went to the other side. So in 2012 there was no interest in adjusting the polling model to account for predicted changes in the electoral demographic. Yes, more minorities voted. More young people voted. In short, more people voted in 2012 that could be considered sympathetic to the Democratic platform. But polls conducted by the RNC, using corrective models based on the previous decade of voter turnout, were simply inaccurate and led them to campaign ineffectively.

So the RNC says, "We lost the White House because we inaccurately predicted who would vote." So when Robert says all those demographics he despises add up, he's correct as far as the statistics go. However when he insinuates that they must have voted illegally, that's where he breaks ranks with the facts and with the mainline GOP analysis and plops down firmly in the conspiracy-theory camp. It's standard conspiracy rhetoric: Make up an expectation you can't or won't defend, note that reality departs from it, then accuse a bunch of people of manipulating reality to defy your made-up expectation.

So as it's been for a dozen pages -- no evidence of widespread fraud, just various creative attempts to infer fraud.

 

[Robert Prey]

I apologise, I thought that evidence from unnamed sources was how you roll.

Here you go, from the Virginian-Pilot, Noah Wall's latest statement covering the ass of his boss.

Cuccinelli political spokesman Noah Wall said it's "silly" to interpret Cuccinelli's comments as questioning the legitimacy of Obama's re-election.

"There is no question that President Obama legitimately won re-election," Wall said in an e-mail. "Ken was simply talking about the fact that there were problems on election day which need to be addressed."

Thus, Cuccinelli didn't retract anything.