How can "911 truth" be "the truth" when...

[Oz1976]

I assume that was online. The worst I've gotten is being called "a goverment-controlled media propagandist," but the truther who said that took the trouble to say it in a video. It was originally posted on You Tube in February of 2008 so I think of it as my truther Valentine Day card for that year. (NSFW language)

Yeah I remember seeing this way back. No videos aimed at me yet, just the rantings and ravings of lunatics on msg boards, comments, forums, etc. I guess my "satanic nazi shill status" isn't quite up to par with you

 

[Sam.I.Am]

note: Therm*te = 2 theories (thermite or thermate)

1) No planes hit the WTC Towers, explosives took them down.
2) No planes hit the WTC Towers, therm*te took them down.
4) Therm*te was painted on the columns.
6) Therm*te ceiling panels were used.
8) Therm*te is an explosive.
10) The buildings were prewired with explosives when they were built.
11) The buildings were prewired with therm*te when they were built.
12) There was a "48 hour power down" that allowed the explosives to be planted.
13) There was a "48 hour power down" that allowed the therm*te to be planted.
15) No planes hit the WTC Towers, explosives with therm*te fuses took them down.
17) Planes hit the WTC Towers just explosives took them down.
18) Planes hit the WTC Towers just therm*te took them down.
20) No planes hit the WTC Towers, a space beam took them down.
21) Both WTC towers were hit with civilian planes that fired missiles just before they hit.
22) Both WTC Towers were hit with military planes that fired missiles just before they hit.
23) One WTC tower was hit by a military plane, the other by a civilian plane.
24) The planes were taken over by remote control.
25) The planes were emptied of passengers and switched with remote controlled planes.
26) The Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile (American).
27) The Pentagon was hit by a submarine launched cruise missile (Russian).
28) The Pentagon was hit with a truck bomb
29) The Pentagon was hit with a military aircraft.
30) The Pentagon was flown over and a bomb was dropped.

Someone else want to continue this list for a bit?

 

[Dash80]

note: Therm*te = 2 theories (thermite or thermate)

1) No planes hit the WTC Towers, explosives took them down.
2) No planes hit the WTC Towers, therm*te took them down.
4) Therm*te was painted on the columns.
6) Therm*te ceiling panels were used.
8) Therm*te is an explosive.
10) The buildings were prewired with explosives when they were built.
11) The buildings were prewired with therm*te when they were built.
12) There was a "48 hour power down" that allowed the explosives to be planted.
13) There was a "48 hour power down" that allowed the therm*te to be planted.
15) No planes hit the WTC Towers, explosives with therm*te fuses took them down.
17) Planes hit the WTC Towers just explosives took them down.
18) Planes hit the WTC Towers just therm*te took them down.
20) No planes hit the WTC Towers, a space beam took them down.
21) Both WTC towers were hit with civilian planes that fired missiles just before they hit.
22) Both WTC Towers were hit with military planes that fired missiles just before they hit.
23) One WTC tower was hit by a military plane, the other by a civilian plane.
24) The planes were taken over by remote control.
25) The planes were emptied of passengers and switched with remote controlled planes.
26) The Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile (American).
27) The Pentagon was hit by a submarine launched cruise missile (Russian).
28) The Pentagon was hit with a truck bomb
29) The Pentagon was hit with a military aircraft.
30) The Pentagon was flown over and a bomb was dropped.

Someone else want to continue this list for a bit?

31) Flight 93 landed in Cleveland
32) Flight 93 was shot down
33) Flight 93 never existed

 

[OCaptain]

31) Flight 93 landed in Cleveland
32) Flight 93 was shot down
33) Flight 93 never existed

34) Bush did it to provide a pretext to go to war against Iraq.
35) Cheney did it to provide a pretext to go to war against Iraq.
36) Silverstein did it for the insurance money.
37) Wirt Walker did it for his family.
38) Both WTC Towers were brought down by mini-nukes.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

They actually go out of the way to obscure the truth much of the time. With their cherry picked video clips (the fall of building 7 being a notable example), unqualified worship of Richard Gage, etc.

I often wonder what motivates them. It can't just be attention, surely.

In Gages case, its money. For others, insanity.

 

[The Platypus]

They actually go out of the way to obscure the truth much of the time. With their cherry picked video clips (the fall of building 7 being a notable example), unqualified worship of Richard Gage, etc.

I often wonder what motivates them. It can't just be attention, surely.

What motivates the leaders is money, and/or dreams of power.

What motivates most the followers is the leaders getting them to believe they are on a crusade, and they are special and superior because they know "the twoof" them they must go out and spread it to save the world from the evil boogieman.

It's a standard for most cults and religions. The leaders have their followers out obsessively recruiting, while they can sit back and keep raking in the money and/or dreaming of power. The more followers the more money and power.

 

[IdiotWhacker]

The main reason for using the word "truth" is the standard propaganda trick of commandeering a word to the cause. Whether that be for good reasons or not so good. Take for example the meaning change associated with "gay" after it was commandeered to a (good) cause. In this case I doubt the truthers will ever succeed in changing the word "truth" to be a synonym for "lie" - but don't most of us regular members look twice when we see "truth" on these threads to see if in fact is is being used as a euphemism for "lie". And do we avoid using the word in these threads because it has been contaminated - I certainly think twice before I use it here.

A second reason is the use of meaning reversals. How many times do the deniers of reality - i.e. truthers - refer to debunkers as "denialists". I won't try to recall the many other examples of "role reversal accusations".

like 911 truth its mainly a weasel word to say thats what it is all about. Some like to prefer debunker's as shills not much deniers. In youtube I've never seen a ct say a denier.

 

[Criswell]

34) Bush did it to provide a pretext to go to war against Iraq.
35) Cheney did it to provide a pretext to go to war against Iraq.
36) Silverstein did it for the insurance money.
37) Wirt Walker did it for his family.
38) Both WTC Towers were brought down by mini-nukes.

Don't know if the following count, as I don't think they're popular in the American Truth Movemement, but:

39) 4,000 Israelis didn't show up for work at the World Trade Center.
40) 4,000 Jews didn't show up for work at the World Trade Center.

 

[IdiotWhacker]

41) Cheney ordered norman mineta to stand down on the fighter jets to intercept the object at the pentagon.
42) norad was implicit to do exercises and thus in a coverup

 

[cromleckderennes]

How can "911 truth" be "the truth" when there are over 100 competing and even contradictory variations on what "the truth" is, who did it, how they did, and why they did it?

The fact that none of them can even get their story straight, along with the terrible behavior and tactics that 911 cults and their members use to spread and defend their stories, is indicative of people that clearly are not telling the truth.

Well there's one answer to that.

Have a new scientific investigation.

Do you have a problem with this?

 

[MileHighMadness]

Well there's one answer to that.

Have a new scientific investigation.

Do you have a problem with this?

Really...who is running this investigation? How is the investigation being funded? Who are the key members of this investigation? When can we see the the results of this new scientific investigation?

 

[beachnut]

Well there's one answer to that.

Have a new scientific investigation.

Do you have a problem with this?

Which of the hundreds of studies do you have a problem with? And why do we have to waste more time on what the idiots in 911 truth can't research and form rational conclusions on their own? 911 truth is composed of fantasy and lies based on nothing. You have failed to study 911 truth? They have nothing of value.

 

[The Platypus]

Well there's one answer to that.

Have a new scientific investigation.

Do you have a problem with this?

The "new investigation" canard is so regurgitated it's pathetic.

Well first of all, it's not up to me. But personally I have no problem with the multitude of investigations, "scientific" and otherwise, that have been already done or that are still ongoing.

It seems to me that adding another investigation to that stack isn't the real problem here. After all 911 is already the most investigated event in the history of investigated events, and will probably be studied for centuries to come.

The real problem is that 911 cult kiddies will ignore the results of yet another investigation when it doesn't support their nonsense, as they already do with all the other investigations and most of reality in general.

 

[cromleckderennes]

The "new investigation" canard is so regurgitated it's pathetic.

Well first of all, it's not up to me. But personally I have no problem with the multitude of investigations, "scientific" and otherwise, that have been already done or that are still ongoing.

It seems to me that adding another investigation to that stack isn't the real problem here. After all 911 is already the most investigated event in the history of investigated events, and will probably be studied for centuries to come.

The real problem is that 911 cult kiddies will ignore the results of yet another investigation when it doesn't support their nonsense, as they already do with all the other investigations and most of reality in general.

Some will I agree

But I presume you are aware of the $1000000 advertisement put out by the Scientists for 911 truth where you have Architects, Physicists, Metallurgists and last but not least 911 victim families calling for a new investigation.

I'm new on the forum and for some strange reason I'm not allowed to post a link to this advertisement but you can find the link on Architects and Engineers for 911 truth.

You'd better have a new investigation because the likes of me and an ever increasing number of us are going to be in your face for the rest of your lives until you do.

Deal with it.

The Powers that be are probably encouraged by the continued cover up of that tragic event we've just had the anniversary of.

But next year will be interesting. It will be the 50th Anniversary on 22 November 2013

You'll notice that the questioning of this hasn't gone away and neither will the 911 questions

PS

Cue personal ad Hominum attacks from you

It seems to be all you have these days.

Cue John Lennon YOUTUBE /watch?v=dlzrNKN3rZI

 

[beachnut]

Some will I agree

But I presume you are aware of the $1000000 advertisement put out by the Scientists for 911 truth where you have Architects, Physicists, Metallurgists and last but not least 911 victim families calling for a new investigation.

I'm new on the forum and for some strange reason I'm not allowed to post a link to this advertisement but you can find the link on Architects and Engineers for 911 truth.

You'd better have a new investigation because the likes of me and an ever increasing number of us are going to be in your face for the rest of your lives until you do.

Deal with it.

Deal with it? lol, you have nothing but fantasy. LOL, 11 years of failure, and now you join up, falling for crazy claims of CD, the inside job, etc. Have you told 60 Minutes of your discovery? No, you will do what 911 truth does, talk about nonsense, make wild claims, and back it up with more talk.

LOL, Gage is a fraud, he has made over 1,000,000 dollars spreading the lies he took from 911 truth. The need for a new investigation is based on nonsense, a fake request so Gage can get more money. Follow the money. Gage can't do anything but beg for more dollars and ignore the hundreds of studies done which refute his idiotic claims. There was no CD, it is a fantasy Gage pushed to fool gullible people to donate money.

Why are you are clueless on 911 issues? You can get in face of reality, but you offer zero evidence, zero facts, zero. 11 years and you are gullible. 911 truth is like Bigfoot, they both have the same evidence.


You can't figure out JFK, you can't figure out 911. The easiest shot in the world, and an event that was figured out in minutes by Passengers on Flight 93, they beat you by 11 years. You have a propensity for paranoid conspiracy theories?

 

[Spanx]

I think there should be an investigation as to why cromleckderennes can't post a link.

Jref must be in on it.

 

[cromleckderennes]

Deal with it? lol, you have nothing but fantasy. LOL, 11 years of failure, and now you join up, falling for crazy claims of CD, the inside job, etc. Have you told 60 Minutes of your discovery? No, you will do what 911 truth does, talk about nonsense, make wild claims, and back it up with more talk.

LOL, Gage is a fraud, he has made over 1,000,000 dollars spreading the lies he took from 911 truth. The need for a new investigation is based on nonsense, a fake request so Gage can get more money. Follow the money. Gage can't do anything but beg for more dollars and ignore the hundreds of studies done which refute his idiotic claims. There was no CD, it is a fantasy Gage pushed to fool gullible people to donate money.

Why are you are clueless on 911 issues? You can get in face of reality, but you offer zero evidence, zero facts, zero. 11 years and you are gullible. 911 truth is like Bigfoot, they both have the same evidence.


You can't figure out JFK, you can't figure out 911. The easiest shot in the world, and an event that was figured out in minutes by Passengers on Flight 93, they beat you by 11 years. You have a propensity for paranoid conspiracy theories?

Yep!

No substance to your post

Just ad Hominum attacks

Nothing changes.

Why do you people get angry when someone comes up with questions that you can't handle?

Obviously disturbing your comfort zone. It tells me a lot this.

Oh and by the way

I have a propensity to ask questions and not lay down and be a slave.

Cue John Lennon - YOUTUBE watch?v=dlzrNKN3rZI

 

[cromleckderennes]

I think there should be an investigation as to why cromleckderennes can't post a link.

Jref must be in on it.

They are

They say nobody can post a url until they've made 50 posts. Look at the rules. This means you have to not accept what you are told or what YOU THINK is the case and actually look at something colloquially known as evidence.

You see.

All you have to do is ask questions and answers come flooding in.

 

[beachnut]

Yep!

No substance to your post

Just ad Hominum attacks

Nothing changes.

Why do you people get angry when someone comes up with questions that you can't handle?

Obviously disturbing your comfort zone. It tells me a lot this.

Cue John Lennon - YOUTUBE watch?v=dlzrNKN3rZI

John Lennon would not support the nonsense of 911 truth. You want the truth but you close you mind and support the lies of 911 truth. You are the own who has to post substance to support your claims, and you never will. You will say no substance, and ignore the fact you have nothing to support your claims. You have nonsense, this is substance, you can't prove you have anything to support your need for a new investigation past willful ignorance. You ignore reality and accept with no evidence the claims of 911 truth, a failed movement.

You are the one who can't handle the fact 911 truth is evidence free fantasy. You can't do anything about it past the evidence free posts you made, and will make.

John Lennon's Double Fantasy is a better title for 911 truth. What next, some quotes from Hitler? So far you have offered no reason for a new investigation, you can't list the studies already done, let alone support a single failed 911 truth claim.

Where is your substance; You have been given the truth, you prefer fantasy.

 

[Dog Town]

Some will I agree...


But next year will be interesting. It will be the 50th Anniversary on 22 November 2013

You'll notice that the questioning of this hasn't gone away and neither will the 911 questions

Ahh...asperations, this one has...mmmm...