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North Korean purges continue. Klling latest with mortar execution.

John Mekki said:
Yes, but we are not talking about your personal opinion if Holocaust denial should be illegal or not, as your opinion is not exactly what worries world leaders.
We are discussing why and if Ahmadinejad comments on the Holocaust should be considered liable to be called "crimes" or short of that.
This is what you brought up, remember.
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Facts on whether it is or not is what is important.

John Mekki said:
Yawn..

I do not know what you are talking about with “massive human right abuses”, but..
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Than you are purposefully ignoring anything that disagrees with your personal viewpoint.

John Mekki said:
And the comment on Israel were intended torwards a regime change, not an attack to Israeli people, AFAIK

Shall we talk about the US?
Overthrowing the Iranian democratically elected government in 1953, without apologizing to them so far.
Support of Saddam Hussein when he was attacking Iran with chemical weapons.
Assassination of Iranian scientists.
Imposing sanctions that deprive Iranian patients of their needed medicines.
Support of Israel for their human rights abuses on the Palestinians.
Stubborn refusal of accepting the two-state solution that would end the Israeli-Palestinians stand-off
Support for dictatorships in the region (Mubarak, Saudia Arabia, etc.)

Shall I continue?

As said, take off your pink glasses
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You can continue as many excuses for why you don't want to take the abuses of the Iranian or North Korean regime seriously, but they will always just remain excuses.


I am not saying that any war crimes or attacks on civilians should be ignored, but you can't use those as an excuse for ignoring the ones you don't want to address.
 
HoverBoarder said:
Fair enough, but the only real question is 'how' he was killed. Not so much 'if' or 'why.'
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apart from the accuracy of the weapons systems used, and the "regrettable" collateral damage, there doesn't seem so much difference between a mortar round and this, to me.

I have to admit a morbid interest in the mechanics of a "staged traffic accident" execution though. I suspect its probably not how I would go about organizing such a thing for deserving individuals.
 
kevsta said:
apart from the accuracy of the weapons systems used, and the "regrettable" collateral damage, there doesn't seem so much difference between a mortar round and this, to me.

I have to admit a morbid interest in the mechanics of a "staged traffic accident" execution though. I suspect its probably not how I would go about organizing such a thing for deserving individuals.
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Well there is the reason why they were killed.

It is no secret that Al Qaeda and the Taliban are actively working, and have been active in developing plans and carrying out actions to kill innocent people.

Civilians, police men, school teachers, school children. All have been killed in large numbers and many times by the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, and they make no effort to hide the fact that they intend to kill more.

Attacking people with drones who are actively working on trying to kill hundreds of other innocent people, vs. killing someone who "drank during the official 100 day mourning period," or putting someone and their family in horrific slavery without trial because they dissented in some way against a brutal dictatorship is a whole different matter.

I don't see any real connection between the two cases.
 
HoverBoarder said:
I have been to the Auschwitz museum, and the working conditions in Birkenau bore a lot of similarities to the North Korean "Camp 22 and 14."

Holocaust Now: Looking Down Into Hell at Camp 22
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By the way, I don't know if anyone clicked on the link I provided, but I would highly suggest it, and I wanted to share a few parts from it.


One unforgettable image, there were two girls and they were trying to take out a piece of noodle from one polluted water pond where they put the garbage. And one guard kicked the kids into the small pond, and they drowned. The pond was very deep, and I felt really sad about that.

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Former child prisoner and author Kang Chol Hwan describes how prisoners were forced to stone each other to death.

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Ahn reports that of the 1,500 to 2,000 prisoners who died each year from malnutrition alone, most were kids. This figure does not include deaths from disease, torture, execution, or from the casual murders he recollects:

I saw numerous prisoners killed, especially by beating. I saw one person age between 40 and 50 — he’s old enough because the average age of prisoner is between 40-50 — he was working in brick factory. And as he was older he was moving slowly, he was not working well. And the team master tramped on his loin, and the bone was broken. He was hit by an iron rod that is used to start vehicle engines, and I heard the next day he died.

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There’s really no telling why North Korea houses its prisoners this way, but it makes sense from the perspective of cold logic. As even the Nazis learned, camps are more secure if they’re less concentrated. Two dozen prisoners in a small village present much less of a threat of rebellion than, say, the large group of prisoners who rose up in the Onsong Camp in 1997. The uprising ended with 5,000 dead, and Kim Jong Il reportedly ordered every trace of the place scraped off the face of the earth. It’s easier to guess why prisoners are housed in huts; the camps’ main method of control is to keep inmates on the verge of starvation and extend them small rewards for informing on each other.

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One woman told of being forced to assist injection-induced labours and then watching as a baby was suffocated with a wet towel in front of its mother. Many former prisoners told of babies buried alive or left face down on the ground to die. They were told by guards this was to prevent the survival of half-Chinese babies. If fleeing North Koreans are discovered by Chinese police, they are almost always returned home.


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I witnessed a whole family being tested on suffocating gas and dying in the gas chamber,’ he said. ‘The parents, son and and a daughter. The parents were vomiting and dying, but till the very last moment they tried to save kids by doing mouth-to-mouth breathing.’

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Camp 16, according to “The Hidden Gulag,” is a place of exile for families of the condemned. In North Korea’s Confucian society, in which every word of the late Great Leader Kim Il Sung is worshipped as holy scripture, the regime strictly obeys his order to root out class enemies for three generations. That’s why North Korea doesn’t just arrest the person who sings a South Korean pop song or makes an unguarded remark about the food supply. It arrests that person’s husband or wife, parents, and children, too.
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The topic of this thread is not the translation or mistranslation of Ahmadinejad's comments about Israel. Please get back to the topic at hand - which is North Korea executions/killings - and if you want to argue about Ahmadinejad's comments about Israel, take it to another thread. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL
 
Caustic Logic said:
Not so much to apologize for the Kims, but some of this sounds suspiciously overly-weird. Forcing a guy to stand there as you fire a mortar at him is believable enough, if pretty odd.

But the "staged traffic accidents" - I wonder how they staged these and how the informants happened to know about the truth? To stage an "accident" suggests other than the usual driving off the road by unseen drivers who flee the scene. To stage an "accident," you need to ram into them in a deadly way (for them, not you) and then hang around the "accident" scene.

Unless they mean - gasp - staged hit-and-run accidents. Yeah, I guess that could be. So maybe it's not too weird.
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All you need to do to stage a traffic accident is to :rule10 the brakes or slip a timed bomb somewhere under the passenger or driver's seat. Boom.
 
I was under the impression that this thread was about North Korea and some novel ideas about criminal justice.

Should I report this thread, a number of gross rule 11 violaters, and suggest that this thread be sliced and diced into a thread that covers Iran versus its evil satan opponent?

Or will you nice folks get back to the joy of discussing various and sundry interesting things about North Korea?

On the topic of the OP, I am saddened to learn that the execution via mortar round may not actually have been true. I like people who think outside of the (ammo) box.
 
Darth Rotor said:
I was under the impression that this thread was about North Korea and some novel ideas about criminal justice.

Should I report this thread, a number of gross rule 11 violaters, and suggest that this thread be sliced and diced into a thread that covers Iran versus its evil satan opponent?

Or will you nice folks get back to the joy of discussing various and sundry interesting things about North Korea?

On the topic of the OP, I am saddened to learn that the execution via mortar round may not actually have been true. I like people who think outside of the (ammo) box.
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It seems most of the talk about Iran was successfully moved to the General Israel/Palestine thread.

Now it's just about whether N. Korea is really that bad, if the camps have any similarity to concentration camps, or if it's more relatable to drone attacks or not getting a bonus check.

As for the execution in the OP, he was told it was just a N. Korean dance party, and he needed to go stand next to the boombox.
 
HoverBoarder said:
It seems most of the talk about Iran was successfully moved to the General Israel/Palestine thread.

Now it's just about whether N. Korea is really that bad, if the camps have any similarity to concentration camps, or if it's more relatable to drone attacks or not getting a bonus check.

As for the execution in the OP, he was told it was just a N. Korean dance party, and he needed to go stand next to the boombox.
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Heh, and I didn't even report it. Weird morning. My objection seems to have actually been acted upon by someone.

Drone attacks on the concentration camps might be a novel approach to this matter. I am in an "outside the box" mood this morning. :cool:
 
Darth Rotor said:
Heh, and I didn't even report it. Weird morning. My objection seems to have actually been acted upon by someone.

Drone attacks on the concentration camps might be a novel approach to this matter. I am in an "outside the box" mood this morning. :cool:
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So back to the topic of N. Korea.

Why do you think there are so many killings in the country?

Do you agree with my statement that: "Mass killings (except for the most part Cuba) are just one of the things required for Communist countries to function. Just like regulations are needed for capitalist countries to function."
 
HoverBoarder said:
Why do you think there are so many killings in the country?

Do you agree with my statement that: "Mass killings (except for the most part Cuba) are just one of the things required for Communist countries dictatorships to function. Just like regulations are needed for capitalist countries to function."
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It's not a left/right thing.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Heh, and I didn't even report it. Weird morning. My objection seems to have actually been acted upon by someone.

Drone attacks on the concentration camps might be a novel approach to this matter. I am in an "outside the box" mood this morning. :cool:
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A drone attack presents two problems.

One, North Korea has an extensive and well tested (on human subjects) chemical arsenal that they would launch at South Korea and the Americans guarding the Korean boarder if they get fissed enough, and a drone attack would roast their backsides nicely. Those chemical weapons could reach Japan and other countries in the Asian sphere.

Two, chemical bombs can hide in cargo containers in cargo ships. They can be designed to blow up once they reach the dock, forgoing the search.
 
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