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The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

Shiner said:
Yep, I asked myself the same question. Maybe reincarnation is only for the good chri$tians....oh, wait.

Some interesting reading in Matthew. I haven't looked at the bible since high school(25years ago), when I would argue the veracity with my school teachers. I promised myself I wouldn't do it again. D'oh.

Anyway, in case PC actually reads our posts, I've got a few points to make.

Matthew 24, bits in bluewoo. (King James Version, of course)

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

I think what he's saying here is you're in deep poo, PC.
The end of the verse spells it out clearly.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.



This is my favourite bit. Did you miss this one PC?

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Summer is coming when the fig tree has leaves. Who'd have thought?
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@Shiner, #855

The spirit of Ama said that it may be better to die very good now than be reborn in another human being because he may become bad. He asked if what is happening now is becoming better or getting worse than say a generation ago? Is it better to be reborn to be given another chance? Did you know that the true God is now reducing people in this world?

Since most likely people will not be reborn anymore and this will be their last chance of being incarnated, now is the time to change a wrong outlook. Come back to the only true God and obey His commandments.

This is what Ama said on http://aristean.org/sermon005.htm titled “Beware of false prophets”: “The number of tempters and deceivers on earth will become many more and dense who will lead astray, misteach, deceive and blind many, many people. Many will spread the rumor that this is the beginning of the end. This will spread and many will claim that he is God, or God is in him, or he is inspired by God, or he is the messenger of God, and many will believe that will truly lead them astray. This is a warning or advice: beware of false prophets because we will not be save by borrowed faith.

“Remember, beware of false prophets who will give us borrowed faith, meaning, faith that did not come from within us but commanded to us, or told to or directed, imposed, dictated or compelled upon us by our fellowmen. We will not be saved this way. We must focus our faith in God, the only true God, who gave us our life, not through faith in Him as commanded by our fellowmen but believe and have faith in Him in our heart because of His being God and we are His creation.”

This is why Jesus was crucified and died – His sincere love to mankind. Heed His advice. “Have faith in Him in our heart because of His being God and we are His creation.’

You are right, Shiner, that the fig tree put forth leaves for summer is nigh (Matthew 24:32). That is why the crucifixion of Jesus is in summer – August 17, 1 BC to be exact. Jesus saw a fig tree afar off having leaves but found no fruit so He cursed it (Mark 11:12-14; Matthew 21:18-20).
 
LaurelHS said:
Again, where exactly did these wounds appear? And what does "hard and plastic" have to do with them? Your description is very ambiguous.
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LaurelHS said:
I'll ask again. Where is the wound you're speaking of? Do you not understand my question? I seriously don't know how to make it any clearer.
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The wounds are in the wrist area and the feet and at the side when Jesus was crucified. You may ask those who have experienced it like Lina Aguila.

Some people may think that the spirit of Ama is just faking it. That is why he asked if what they poked through is “hard and plastic” like a mannequin. Those who had been given the privilege said that it is not “hard and plastic”. The wounds were fresh and a bit wet and felt the bones, and I think it smelled fragrant. I have to search for the session.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
@Shiner, #855

The spirit of Ama said that it may be better to die very good now than be reborn in another human being because he may become bad. He asked if what is happening now is becoming better or getting worse than say a generation ago? Is it better to be reborn to be given another chance? Did you know that the true God is now reducing people in this world?

Since most likely people will not be reborn anymore and this will be their last chance of being incarnated, now is the time to change a wrong outlook. Come back to the only true God and obey His commandments.
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The only true God you are talking about is obviously not the christian god. Reincarnation is certainly not a christian doctrine - not for the last 1500 years at least, so what religion are you really promoting, Aristeo? Amaism?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
The wounds are in the wrist area and the feet and at the side when Jesus was crucified. You may ask those who have experienced it like Lina Aguila.

Some people may think that the spirit of Ama is just faking it. That is why he asked if what they poked through is “hard and plastic” like a mannequin. Those who had been given the privilege said that it is not “hard and plastic”. The wounds were fresh and a bit wet and felt the bones, and I think it smelled fragrant. I have to search for the session.
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Who has ever said anything about plastic? As many have suggested in this thread, the way to fake wounds is to use fresh meat and bones from some animal.
 
Aristeo,

So it was a stuffed chicken then?, with fragrant herbs and spices. (Do they have KFC in the Philippines?) Was the wound covered by anything?

As to your reply to my post, you just don't get it at all. Nigh, means near, as in, almost upon us. Not at it's end. Snap the **** out of it boyo. Stop with the preaching. Your are tributing a false prophet, Aristeo.
If you truly believe in god, you're doomed to eternal damnation. You will be cut asunder, with much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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PeaceCrusader said:
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Today, in my search, I think Reneliniyindi is Cleopatra of Jerusalem married to Philip. We have to know more about what happened to Cleopatra of Jerusalem and Philip. Ama said the very first Philip. I do not know if Herod Philip I is related to Philip II of Spain from whom the name Philippines was derived. ...
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Here's some more information about Cleopatra of Jerusalem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra_of_Jerusalem

PC, why do you think Maria Liwayway Alvaran called the fictitious princess Reniliniyindi if she meant Cleopatra of Jerusalem?
Remember the names of the princess' parents Maria Liwayway Alvaran gave you?


PeaceCrusader said:
@Shiner, #855

The spirit of Ama said that it may be better to die very good now than be reborn in another human being because he may become bad. He asked if what is happening now is becoming better or getting worse than say a generation ago? Is it better to be reborn to be given another chance? Did you know that the true God is now reducing people in this world?
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PC, other than what Maria Liwayway Alvaran has told you, do you have any reason to think re-incarnation is compatible with the KJV?

PeaceCrusader said:
..The wounds were fresh and a bit wet and felt the bones, and I think it smelled fragrant. I have to search for the session.
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Maria Liwayway Alvaran directed your friends to explore something located under a sheet?
PC, are you familiar with how psychic surgeons ply their scams?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
This is why Jesus was crucified and died – His sincere love to mankind.
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So not only you're a liar and a follower of a false prophet, but also you're disobeying another of his commandments. Remember: you hate mankind so much that you desire the extermination of two thirds of the world population. There must be a special place in hell reserved for you.
 
pakeha said:
Ah, here we go.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8484895&postcount=2389


What can this possibly have to do with Cleopatra of Jerusalem?
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You are correct, pakeha. The parents of Reneliniyindi was King Legum and Queen Agleloma. So Reneliniyindi is not Cleopatra of Jerusalem because she is the mother of Philip I or Herod Philip I, and that Reneliniyindi died on her wedding day (so cannot have a son).

We know that Cleopatra was a queen of Egypt. Maybe, because of Cleopatra of Jerusalem’s contact with Egyptian nobility, she might have arranged for the marriage of her son Herod Philip I to an Egyptian named Reneliniyindi. This theory needs to be checked.
 
Ok, let's talk about figs, since it seems that that's another case where being ignorant helps with believing a liar and cheat.

Figs actually bear fruit twice a year. Once in early summer, once in August-September. The first crop is generally crap, much too acidic and unappetizing, so it's no surprise that some people never heard of it. Only the second crop gets actually sold. (Source, for example: http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/fig.html )

But now also consider that it takes some time for the fruits to grow and ripen. Also that the gospel doesn't say that Jesus found some tiny unripe figs, or that they were the sour and crap-tasting first season figs, but it was so completely out of season that there were none. The only time when that can be true is spring and winter.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
The spirit of Ama said that it may be better to die very good now than be reborn in another human being because he may become bad. He asked if what is happening now is becoming better or getting worse than say a generation ago? Is it better to be reborn to be given another chance? Did you know that the true God is now reducing people in this world?
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But the basis for true christian person saving is not in being good- it is in faith and only in faith. Are you and the Ama/Apaz being confused by the difference in reincarnation and being 'born again'? Christians will happily point out these are completely different things. There is no room for reincarnation in christianity.
 
Hi, PC.
What makes you think Cleopatra of Jerusalem was ever a Queen of Egypt?
In any case, Cleopatra of Jerusalem's son was King Herod Philip II, not Herod Philip I.
HP I married Herodias and was the father of Salome, who married HP II.
That's Salome, of the Dance of 7 veils.


What makes you think King Legum and Queen Agleloma exist outside Maria Liwayway Alvaran's imagination?

PC, the elements simply don't add up at all.
Remember, the 'first' Philip was born long before these times.
Hint: What was Alexander the Great's father's name?
 
Shiner said:
Aristeo,

So it was a stuffed chicken then?, with fragrant herbs and spices. (Do they have KFC in the Philippines?) Was the wound covered by anything?

As to your reply to my post, you just don't get it at all. Nigh, means near, as in, almost upon us. Not at it's end. Snap the **** out of it boyo. Stop with the preaching. Your are tributing a false prophet, Aristeo.
If you truly believe in god, you're doomed to eternal damnation. You will be cut asunder, with much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Reminds me, I have to wonder why follow a god at all, if even that's not enough, and you're gonna get hit with all that weeping and gnashing of teeth even for not believing in the exact flavour of it that matters. I mean, by sheer probabilities, there are so many sects that your chances to have picked the right one are much under 1%.

He should come join us in worshipping Great Cthulhu instead. He doesn't discriminate like that. When our Great Old One rises from R'lyeh there'll be weeping and gnashing of teeth for EVERYONE :p
 
HansMustermann said:
Ok, let's talk about figs...But now also consider that it takes some time for the fruits to grow and ripen. Also that the gospel doesn't say that Jesus found some tiny unripe figs, or that they were the sour and crap-tasting first season figs, but it was so completely out of season that there were none. The only time when that can be true is spring and winter.
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Unless, of course, Jesus lived in Australia.
http://www.willabrand.com/
Check out the fig pizza!

See?
If you simply turn everything upside down, Maria Liwayway Alvaran's performance makes perfect sense.
http://forums.vogue.com.au/showthread.php?t=285584


And in case you want more information:
http://www.foodforest.com.au/figFactSheet.htm


ETA:
Figs were cultivated over 11,000 years ago!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060601-agriculture.html
 
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PeaceCrusader said:
We know that Cleopatra was a queen of Egypt. Maybe, because of Cleopatra of Jerusalem’s contact with Egyptian nobility, she might have arranged for the marriage of her son Herod Philip I to an Egyptian named Reneliniyindi. This theory needs to be checked.
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It really doesn't need further checking, you've already been told that there is no connection between Cleopatra of Jerusalem and Queen Cleopatra of Egypt other than they have the same name.

They were not the same person, and not related to each other. In any case, Herod Philip I was not Cleopatra of Jerusalem's son (he was the son of her husband by one of his four previous marriages) nor did he marry any non-existent Egyptian princess.

I explained this to you in post 874.

There were no such people as King Legum or Queen Agleloma or Princess Reneliniyindi in the 1st century or at any other time; they have never existed outside Ms Alvaran's wild imagination. You are following the very definition of a false prophet in the shape of Ms Alvaran and 'Ama'; every prophecy you've presented has been false.

You still have not explained where these wounds appear. Do they appear on a living person, and if so who? Do people observe the wounds directly or are they under a sheet or other covering?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
You are correct, pakeha. The parents of Reneliniyindi was King Legum and Queen Agleloma.
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Aristeo, IMNSHO you have a rather insulting way of using the phrase "You are correct." You do not get to use pakeha's name in a non sequitur to attempt to give credence to your nonsensical beliefs.

There is no evidence for "King Legum" or "Queen Agleloma." They are fictional characters made up by the false prophet Maria Liwayway Alvaran, and Reneliniyindi is no more real than Scarlett O'Hara or Don Quixote.

To all: I suggest that we start using the "Report" button the next time Aristeo misrepresents our words.
 
O Goddess, stay thy righteous anger!
Dedicate thy energy to memorising the bass clarinet solo From 'Pictures'.
Or the making of mead, carving a frest set of runes or any one of a number goddess-worthy activities.

Of course thy divine ire is justly provoked by PC's anticipation of the death of 2/3s of humanity, but I beseech thee to please keep in mind PC thinks the results of nuclear warfare can be mitigated by draught-stoppers.

Besides, I want to see just where the ass goes.

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I mean
I want to see where the discussion about the ass goes.
 
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