Pilots fear threats from chem-trailers

[Bell]

How much a threat does vinegar poses?

 

[Tomtomkent]

Erm, if my memory of an attempted terrorist action in the UK is right (im thinking mid to late 1990s) then you need a nissan micra and drain pipes to fire home made projectiles fertaliser explosives parked somewhere near the runway. Fortunately this was somewhat conspicuous and arrests were made sharpish...

 

[smartcooky]

Erm, if my memory of an attempted terrorist action in the UK is right (im thinking mid to late 1990s) then you need a nissan micra and drain pipes to fire home made projectiles fertaliser explosives parked somewhere near the runway. Fortunately this was somewhat conspicuous and arrests were made sharpish...

7 Feb 1991. The Downing Street Mortar attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/08/w...street-with-mortar-fire-as-cabinet-meets.html


10 March 1994. The Heathrow Mortar attack

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/i...terrorism-act-renewed-in-commons-1428076.html

 

[Bell]

In February 2003, the British Army was deployed to Heathrow, along with 1,000 police officers, in response to intelligence reports suggesting that al-Qaeda terrorists might launch surface-to-air missile attacks at British or American airliners.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Heathrow_Airport#Terrorism_and_security_incidents

 

[Greedo]

Chem-Trailers are not Al-Qaeda.
And mortars, especially homemade ones, would require them to get in the close vicinity of an airport.
And on the way there, they'd probably get into a fight between themselves what the purpose of chemtrails is...

 

[smartcooky]

Chem-Trailers are not Al-Qaeda.
And mortars, especially homemade ones, would require them to get in the close vicinity of an airport.
And on the way there, they'd probably get into a fight between themselves what the purpose of chemtrails is...

So you don't believe CT's are capable of committing acts of terrorism? Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh?

He blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building. McVeigh believed elite bankers, industrialists and politicians are conspiring in secret to take over the world, disarm gun owners and bring in a New World Order. McVeigh thought the Federal building in Oklahoma City was a headquarters of the New World Order.

We all know that these CT's are certifiable nut-jobs, but I don't think we should be under-estimating their ability to do damage. There isn't much that is more dangerous to public safety than a nut-job with the skill to make bombs, and it would only take a couple of them to attempt to bring down a jet.

 

[Greedo]

So you don't believe CT's are capable of committing acts of terrorism? Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh?

He blew up the Oklahoma City Federal Building. McVeigh believed elite bankers, industrialists and politicians are conspiring in secret to take over the world, disarm gun owners and bring in a New World Order. McVeigh thought the Federal building in Oklahoma City was a headquarters of the New World Order.

We all know that these CT's are certifiable nut-jobs, but I don't think we should be under-estimating their ability to do damage. There isn't much that is more dangerous to public safety than a nut-job with the skill to make bombs, and it would only take a couple of them to attempt to bring down a jet.

I am very aware of that. But that is quite different from an airport. And if our airports aare safe enough to (supposedly) handle al-qaeda, an organized and funded terrorist organization with traning camps and all, then I don't see why we should worry about conspiracy theorists attacking airports or planes. Blowing up a building is quite a different thing.

 

[bobwtfomg]

Some planes are spraying something sometimes. But what?

pesticides, organophosphates
http://www.cipamericas.org/archives/6313

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

How much a threat does vinegar poses?

Depends, are they Slitheen???

 

[smartcooky]

I am very aware of that. But that is quite different from an airport. And if our airports aare safe enough to (supposedly) handle al-qaeda, an organized and funded terrorist organization with traning camps and all, then I don't see why we should worry about conspiracy theorists attacking airports or planes. Blowing up a building is quite a different thing.

I have no doubt that sooner or later, a terrorist is going to get hold of a Stinger, a Redeye, a Strela, a Blowpipe or some other MANPAD, find a weak point in security near an airport, and attempt to shoot down an airliner.

If a terrorist could do it, I see no reason why anyone else (including a CT nut-job) wouldn't be able to. If I was the kind of person who would do this sort of thing and someone handed me a Stinger, I know EXACTLY where I could go, near to Christchurch Airport, NZ, to attempt to shoot down an American airliner or American Military aircraft. It is highly unlikely that I would be caught or detected until it was too late.

Fortunately for passengers flying in and out of Christchurch, and US Military personnel stationed there, I would never do such a thing.

 

[JohnG]

So the CTists kill the passengers of crew of the plane and possibly people on the ground, whilst simultaneously incinerating all evidence of the supposed chemtrail substances?

Just the sort of strong morals and careful thinking things through that I've come to expect from Conspiracy Theorists

 

[BStrong]

And yet it does take more than throwing rocks from the end of the runway. What is the real threat here, if it is not MPAD equivalents? 30.06s? laser pointers?

There is a very real threat scenario that isn't spoken about in public, and I have no intention of doing so here, but suffice to say that vunerable points exist, and the tools to do so are widely available and unrestricted.

And no, firearms are not involved.

 

[LSSBB]

Let's say the Chemtrail CTers gain some traction, get laws passed, get the public on their side, maybe even take a witch hunt somewhere, with of course no findings. And the contrails, of course, keep on comin', and the bad things the chems are doing keep on happening. Will they all just stampede to some other CT, or will they escalate in craziness in a relentless pursuit of phantoms?

Of course, we know that plan C, come to their senses, ain't gonna happen.

 

[Craig4]

Some planes are spraying something sometimes. But what?

No, you're just wrong.

 

[Craig4]

I suspect that there's a fair degree of tabloid sensationalism had gone into this story, information on the actual 'threats' are scant and devoid of context, and the AFP interest wasn't in relation to the alleged threats, rather the pest like behaviour at the airport. Still, having seen how crackpots attack climate scientists I have no doubt these chem-trailers would have said dome stupid things, especially if they were being engaged on a forum like the article hints at. I just wonder snout the context, whether these loons really do represent a threat to safety



http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/je...508708721?sv=a1f36123e9b1bd11117f7a11440a15fa

How likely is it that a CT'er could figure out how to shoot down an airplane? I mean making a petrol or fertilizer bomb is pretty idiot proof. However, shooting down an airplane? There's a certain class of person who believes this stuff and they aren't the educated one. I think the stupidity required to believe in chemtrails may be protecting the aircraft from actual threats.

 

[Brass]

Unless you are referring to cropdusting, firefighting and other similar activities, then what is your evidence for this statement?

But he typed it in a different font, so it must be true!

 

[calebprime]

I have no doubt that sooner or later, a terrorist is going to get hold of a Stinger, a Redeye, a Strela, a Blowpipe or some other MANPAD, find a weak point in security near an airport, and attempt to shoot down an airliner.

If a terrorist could do it, I see no reason why anyone else (including a CT nut-job) wouldn't be able to. If I was the kind of person who would do this sort of thing and someone handed me a Stinger, I know EXACTLY where I could go, near to Christchurch Airport, NZ, to attempt to shoot down an American airliner or American Military aircraft. It is highly unlikely that I would be caught or detected until it was too late.

Fortunately for passengers flying in and out of Christchurch, and US Military personnel stationed there, I would never do such a thing.

Re: The issue of who is dangerous, who is not.

I suspect, but don't know for sure, that there is a right-wing terrorist threat, but it's not going to be directed at some chemtrail target.

McVeigh was part of a loose network of right-wingers who were energized by events like the FBI's siege of Waco. He was ex-military. He was more than your average random nut.

Many (some?) of these people are quite intelligent, if extreme. (I don't share their views for a second.) They oppose federal government control.

I doubt that these people -- who actually do pose a threat -- are angry about chemtrails. They're serious.

I'd bet they'd view chemtrail nuts more or less the same way we do -- as merely crazy.

Evidence? I read part of a book about Oklahoma City, a month ago.

I'd bet that the only thing we'd see from some chemtrail nut would be a case of near-entrapment: Some loon tells some agents in an FBI sting that he wants to bring down an airplane. But even the FBI probably wouldn't treat such a person as a real threat.

 

[fitzgibbon]

I have no doubt that sooner or later, a terrorist is going to get hold of a Stinger, a Redeye, a Strela, a Blowpipe or some other MANPAD, find a weak point in security near an airport, and attempt to shoot down an airliner.

If a terrorist could do it, I see no reason why anyone else (including a CT nut-job) wouldn't be able to....[snip]

Seriously? Either you think it's way too easy to acquire such paraphernalia or you think way too highly of the abilities of CTers

Fitz

 

[Sunstealer]

They'd be like these two if they ever got hold of manpads.

 

[Mudcat]

Threat to safety of planes? Doubt it. Threat to safety of individual pilots, possibly. However, there tends to be a fair amount of security on and around airports.

True, but the security around airfields is laughable.

It's not unheard of to have someone to break onto an airfield, steal an aircraft engine and sell it to someone (for use on land and sea craft, sometimes to pilots of experimental category aircraft).

How much more difficult would it be to smuggle a bomb on board an aircraft, sabotage it, or shot it out of the sky?