Does Anybody Know about Psychic Judith Turner?

[sophia8]

Even so, I wonder what the benefit was. How did that psychic help SuzieS?

• She spent some money on a psychic.
• That person told her things about her relatives. Presumably she already knew those things, which is how they were determined real. So what's the value?

Yes, that's what has always puzzled me about why people go to mediums and psychics. Practically all the time, the stuff they tell you that turns out to be true is stuff that you already know: "Gasp! He knew that Grandpa's name was Joe - he's amazing!" So what? If you just want to be amazed, go see a good stage magic show.
If you want some "closure" or just some answers to things that are troubling you, you'd get much better value from going to a counsellor: "Well, from what you've been telling me, it seems that Grandpa Joe was a total so-and-so and the family is better off without him. Does that help to explain some things?"

 

[Foolmewunz]

Did it occur to you that psychics may invent justifications why "deceased souls" can't give them lottery numbers, because psychics can't actually predict the future, and they can't fudge lottery numbers the way they can with cold or hot reading?

This isn't about lottery numbers so much as a general enquiry that maybe one of you who follows the world of psychics a little more than I do could answer.

Pardon my ignorance of the spirit world, but is there some mantra about spirits being able to move forward and back in time, or does time not exist at all in the spirit world? How do they get from "Grampy Ted says you had a special name for him" to "... and you'll move into a house in Sand Gap, Kentucky on a day when they have the largest hailstorm on record in that area"? How does the spirit get forward X number of years to see that?

 

[SuzieS]

Kerikiwi, remember Phil Plait's admonition please.

SuzieS,
From the way you express yourself, you're obviously possessed of intelligence. While it's apparent that you didn't come here to sell anything, you thought you were going SOMEWHERE to sell something of interest to someone, e.g. whomever at the psychic-friendly site you thought we were was to read your glowing testimonial would certainly have no remaining doubts about contacting Judy for a rather expensive reading. So, no,... you're not selling us anything - because we're not buying, but please don't say you had no intention of convincing anyone of anything. You NOW have no intention of convincing US of anything.

See, now... this is how we parse things. I'd dearly like to see some of the statements you claim she made in their original form, and know the background. Let's take the move to the mystery town (don't tell us your location - it's none of our business).

First, the background... Is this a place you knew of? If so, how did you know of it? Because it's a famous town related to something you do or like doing? Because it's the home of a friend or relative or the friends or relatives of said friend or relative.

Is the town within hailing distance of your or her location? e.g. is it within say 50 miles? 100 miles? Several states and/or time zones away?

And as to the reading/interview, itself:

How did this topic come up? Were you asking her which cupcake icing to use for a friend with fall colors and she just blurted out, "Well, most flavors would wor---- wait, I see you moving to Bartlesville, Oklahoma in the not-too-distant future." Or were you discussing your likes and dislikes, career and life aspirations, and desire for a change in directions.... Or something like that. As mentioned above, many cold readers can convince you that you've told them nothing, but you actually give them a lot of information. We've found through tapes and transcripts of most cold readers' work that the protestation "...but I gave him/her NO information at all..." is usually greatly like the recipe for Stone Soup, e.g. the recipients do not realize how much they've contributed and believe the soup was made from just a stone and some water or the reading was pulled out of the ether.

No, I was not selling anything, nor did I think I was selling anything. I saw someone ask about Judith Turner (they claimed a friend had a session with her) and it seemed they were asking if anyone knew anything about her. Since I had two session with her, I felt I could give this person my assessment. That was my only motivation. Whether I had a successful session or not, whether this person believes me or not, there is nothing in it for me. There are a lot of frauds out there and I don't like being cheated as I'm sure no one else does either. So, I went to the trouble to register here to give that person my feedback. That is the total amount of my interest. I had no clue what this whole forum was about, I didn't think it was a psychic friendly or foe. I had absolutely no preconceived notions whatsoever. Since I was not intending to stay long, I didn't read other threads, etc. I came here for the sole purpose of answering a question someone asked.

Are you kidding me? Have you ever had a psychic reading? Your questions are jokes. We never talked about frosting cakes. If you heard my CD, I don't say more than 10 words in the hour long CD. It wasn't a "conversation", she talked, I listened and acknowledged here and there.

I have no interest, as stated earlier, in disecting my session. I also have no interest in debunking all psychics. I already know that what happens psychicly cannot be proven. How do you prove something that is beyond most people's understanding or acceptance? You might as well try to prove there is a God. It's not possible. Why do you think that million dollar prize of yours sits unaccepted? Yet you and your fellow forum members will use that as proof it doesn't happen. Which is fine with me and apparently fine with the other psychics out there, too.

You have already decided what is true and accurate. If you want to know if Theresa, or Judith or any other psychic is "real", go visit them for yourself. Because that is the ONLY way any of you here will be satisfied. Think of it as an experiment. I can send you my CD and you won't believe it wasn't altered and you won't understand one word of it, a transcript (if I made one) would be thought of as fake anyway. So go to the psychic you want to challenge yourself and see for yourself whether or not it's real or fake. That's what I did!

 

[SuzieS]

This isn't about lottery numbers so much as a general enquiry that maybe one of you who follows the world of psychics a little more than I do could answer.

Pardon my ignorance of the spirit world, but is there some mantra about spirits being able to move forward and back in time, or does time not exist at all in the spirit world? How do they get from "Grampy Ted says you had a special name for him" to "... and you'll move into a house in Sand Gap, Kentucky on a day when they have the largest hailstorm on record in that area"? How does the spirit get forward X number of years to see that?

Never mind!

 

[SuzieS]

Yes, that's what has always puzzled me about why people go to mediums and psychics. Practically all the time, the stuff they tell you that turns out to be true is stuff that you already know: "Gasp! He knew that Grandpa's name was Joe - he's amazing!" So what? If you just want to be amazed, go see a good stage magic show.
If you want some "closure" or just some answers to things that are troubling you, you'd get much better value from going to a counsellor: "Well, from what you've been telling me, it seems that Grandpa Joe was a total so-and-so and the family is better off without him. Does that help to explain some things?"

No, the things she said I did not ALREADY know. In fact, I thought she was wrong. Did you not see where I said it was YEARS later that these things came to pass just as she had said?

Apparently, part of debunking psychics is seeing only what you want to see.

 

[SuzieS]

Like many others, I am quite skeptical Judith Turner has any psychic ability. According to her website:


From: http://judyturner.net

She's been "doing readings since 1973." When you search for information about her, such as in google news archive or the newspaper archive, there is NOTHING about her aside from a few minor astrology book promotions. There are at least two Judith Turners claiming to be psychic: one in Maine and one in New Jersey. The one in New Jersey is the author.

That means Judith Turner has nothing to show in terms of independent verifiable predictions publicly reported in the last 40 years of performing readings. Quite dismal considering all the missing persons and criminal cases the police would like to solve.

In terms of public records, I could find no information about her business being registered with the state using Maine's Agency License Management search. It's definitely not incorporated, according to the Maine Bureau of Corporations. There is no record of Judy or Judith Turner operating any business in York County (where the aforementioned psychic's office is). I did find someone of that name having an expired broker's license in the county via a Maine alms query.



I am very surprised that she recorded a CD of the reading. Few psychics do this because often people see a difference between what they think they were told during the reading and what they were actually told.

I am not surprised you don't want to share the CD on the internet if it contains personal information. However at the same time I'm sure you understand why personal anecdotes, especially absent evidence of the reading, in the realm of the paranormal and psychic world means little. Often people make extraordinary claims without proof for many different reasons, including self-delusion and promotion. Thus, confirmable evidence is very important.

Forgetting the CD, I must ask:

1) After 40 years of doing readings, can you point to one instance where we can independently confirm Judith Turner made a prediction and was correct about it? Maybe a newspaper article, for example?
2) Since 1973 she's been involved in the psychic trade. Turner charges $150 for a reading. James Randi, a world famous magican, has been offering money if a psychic can demonstrate a psychic ability since 1964. Starting in 1996 the prize has been $1 million. Why do you think she hasn't taken the money?

No psychic is going to take the money. As I said in another post, it can't be proven. Randi may as well throw in "prove there is a God" for the 1 million as well. Any discussion regarding psychic communication is about as wasted as a discussion about religion or politics. You see your side, I see my side and we will never meet in the middle.

Did Judith Turner claim she makes predictions randomly about worldly events? I've never seen anywhere that she claims that. Not all psychics are looking for worldly aclaim, in fact, most shy away from that.

Judith Turner does "personal" readings and from my experiences, she does them quite well and accurately. As far as I am concerned, I got exactly what I paid for. I'm not surprised she recorded the session, both sessions I had were recorded (unfortunately, my first was cassette tape and it was destroyed accidently) I wish I still had it. CD's are much more durable. She does a 1 hour session and gives the person a CD of the session.

 

[SuzieS]

I don't 'choose' what to believe. I believe what the evidence leads me to believe. Rights don't come into it.

Everyone chooses what to believe and everyone believes what they want to believe.

 

[SuzieS]

it seems you have extensive experience in communing with the dead, which suggests your claim to have been skeptical of the psychic are disingenuous at best, and outright dishonest at worst. You are a believer through and through.
Get me the winning numbers and I'll use them.
Money only leads to problems? Seriously? In my experience, the only money -related problems are those resulting from a shortage.

Extensive? Where did I say I have had extensive experiences in communication with the dead? From everything I have written, you cannot possibly tell if I have had two experiences or thousands. I have never said how many experiences I have had, neither have I said when these experiences occurred (prior to or after my sessions with Judith). You see how you add things to the information that, clearly, do not exist except in your imagination and your desire for me to be wrong?

When I went to Judith, I was skeptical, but optimistic. I don't lie, there is no point in lying.

There is one accurate statement you made, I am a believer through and through (although, I wasn't always a believer).

 

[Foolmewunz]

No, I was not selling anything, nor did I think I was selling anything. I saw someone ask about Judith Turner (they claimed a friend had a session with her) and it seemed they were asking if anyone knew anything about her. Since I had two session with her, I felt I could give this person my assessment. That was my only motivation. Whether I had a successful session or not, whether this person believes me or not, there is nothing in it for me. There are a lot of frauds out there and I don't like being cheated as I'm sure no one else does either. So, I went to the trouble to register here to give that person my feedback. That is the total of my interest. I had no clue what this whole forum was about, I didn't think it was a psychic friendly or foe. I had absolutely no preconceived notions whatsoever. Since I was intending to stay long, I didn't read other threads, etc. I came here for the sole purpose of answering a question someone asked.

Are you kidding me? Have you ever had a psychic reading? Your questions are jokes. We never talked about frosting cakes. If you heard my CD, I don't say more than 10 words in the hour long CD. It wasn't a "conversation", she talked, I listened and acknowledged here and there.

I have no interest, as stated earlier, in disecting my session. I also have no interest in debunking all psychics. I already know that what happens psychicly cannot be proven. How do you prove something that is beyond most people's understanding or acceptance? You might as well try to prove there is a God. It's not possible. Why do you think that million dollar prize of yours sits unaccepted? Yet you and your fellow forum members will use that as proof it doesn't happen. Which is fine with me and apparently fine with the other psychics out there, too.

You have already decided what is true and accurate. If you want to know if Theresa, or Judith or any other psychic is "real", go visit them for yourself. Because that is the ONLY way any of you here will be satisfied. Think of it as an experiment. I can send you my CD and you won't believe it wasn't altered and you won't understand one word of it, a transcript (if I made one) would be thought of as fake anyway. So go to the psychic you want to challenge yourself and see for yourself whether or not it's real or fake. That's what I did!

Yes, I've had a number of psychic readings. They were all nonsensical, from the one who saw auras (New York City) to the one who saw my spirit in terms of colors (NYC) that all had secret meanings, to the one in Hong Kong with the kau chim sticks, to the feng shui master (HK), to the tarot card reader, to the Buddhist holy man who spoke in riddles and could've saved my life (because he saw me dying in 2001) if only I'd get a holy tattoo. And I think there was an I-Ching practitioner(Montreal), a western astrologist(NYC), a Chinese astrologist, a Chilean holy man (Salvador), and a Zulu sangoma (Durban), and a Sikh phony who walks around my neighborhood here in Pattaya stopping people and saying "You are a very lucky man".

So, no... I don't think I'll be flying half-way around the world to visit a part-time psychic. I'm asking for your rationalizations as to what it was that convinced you. Thus far, all you've said is "I believe and you don't; too bad".

And there certainly can be proof of God or of psychic ability. I can think of four or five dozen things that would rattle my world and prove to me that one or the other existed. I've just yet to see any of those things manifested.

I'd like to point out that I'm asking you to clarify and you're not doing so, but you're getting rather defensive. I never said I don't believe that you believe in what you heard, in spite of the fact that your claims go against everything I've ascertained in my life. I'm quite certain that you do believe. Yet, you accuse me, sight unseen, of dismissing your CD as doctored and by some strange leap, not being able to understand a transcript if you gave me one. Huh? Were you guys speaking in Urdu? That's one of the languages I don't have.

 

[SuzieS]

Here is what I would suggest you all do. If you believe a psychic (such as Judith Turner) is not real, do not go to a session with her.

If you want to prove she is not real, go to session with her.

If you want to know if Theresa, or Judith or any other psychic is "real", go visit them for yourself. Because that is the ONLY way any of you here will be satisfied.

Think of it as an experiment.

I could send you my CD and you won't believe it wasn't altered and none of it would make sense to YOU (as it's not about YOU). Any transcript (if I made one) would be thought of as fake anyway. So go to the psychic you want to challenge yourself and see for yourself whether or not it's real or fake.

That's what I did!

 

[SuzieS]

Yes, I've had a number of psychic readings. They were all nonsensical, from the one who saw auras (New York City) to the one who saw my spirit in terms of colors (NYC) that all had secret meanings, to the one in Hong Kong with the kau chim sticks, to the feng shui master (HK), to the tarot card reader, to the Buddhist holy man who spoke in riddles and could've saved my life (because he saw me dying in 2001) if only I'd get a holy tattoo. And I think there was an I-Ching practitioner(Montreal), a western astrologist(NYC), a Chinese astrologist, a Chilean holy man (Salvador), and a Zulu sangoma (Durban), and a Sikh phony who walks around my neighborhood here in Pattaya stopping people and saying "You are a very lucky man".

So, no... I don't think I'll be flying half-way around the world to visit a part-time psychic. I'm asking for your rationalizations as to what it was that convinced you. Thus far, all you've said is "I believe and you don't; too bad".

And there certainly can be proof of God or of psychic ability. I can think of four or five dozen things that would rattle my world and prove to me that one or the other existed. I've just yet to see any of those things manifested.

I'd like to point out that I'm asking you to clarify and you're not doing so, but you're getting rather defensive. I never said I don't believe that you believe in what you heard, in spite of the fact that your claims go against everything I've ascertained in my life. I'm quite certain that you do believe. Yet, you accuse me, sight unseen, of dismissing your CD as doctored and by some strange leap, not being able to understand a transcript if you gave me one. Huh? Were you guys speaking in Urdu? That's one of the languages I don't have.

I'm sure I appear to be defensive to you and the others here. I have no idea why I even come back to answer any questions. In fact, this will be my last response.

Why would you believe a transcript? or the CD? You aren't looking for proof that psychic power exists, you are looking to prove everyone fake. That is clear from the questions being asked. The only way to prove anyone real or fake is to visit THAT psychic personally.

I can believe you have had bad experiences, there are a lot of fakes out there. But just because there are a lot of fakes does not mean that all psychics are fake.

My continuing this conversation is pointless as I have no interesting in helping to debunk or prove psychic abilities. Neither am I interested in a million dollars or world aclaim.

Enjoy your endeavor! I'll be getting back to my life now.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Suzie, in the hopes that you haven't left yet: was the prediction you would move to a specific state and city made in the first reading or the second?

 

[Questioninggeller]

No psychic is going to take the money. As I said in another post, it can't be proven. Randi may as well throw in "prove there is a God" for the 1 million as well. Any discussion regarding psychic communication is about as wasted as a discussion about religion or politics. You see your side, I see my side and we will never meet in the middle.

Did Judith Turner claim she makes predictions randomly about worldly events? I've never seen anywhere that she claims that. Not all psychics are looking for worldly aclaim, in fact, most shy away from that.

Judith Turner does "personal" readings and from my experiences, she does them quite well and accurately. As far as I am concerned, I got exactly what I paid for. I'm not surprised she recorded the session, both sessions I had were recorded (unfortunately, my first was cassette tape and it was destroyed accidently) I wish I still had it. CD's are much more durable. She does a 1 hour session and gives the person a CD of the session.

This is not about "sides." It's very simple:
1) You say Judith Turner is psychic.
2) We've asked for proof.

The onus is on the person making the claim, not the person whose asking for proof like James Randi.

If you can't provide proof then you should stop claiming she's psychic. A psychic who hasn't made a single prediction in 40 years that can be verified independently isn't psychic. Arguing without proof of a claim is like people claiming they saw bigfoot, an alien from Mars and so on who can't support their claims (there are threads from people who make those claims on this board all the time). If a psychic can demonstrate being psychic they can win one million dollars from Randi.

Easy. All Turner would have to do is make a robust prediction like you said she did for you. She hasn't and you say she won't. Fine, it's time to stop making unsubstantiated claims, like Turner is psychic, and move on.

 

[Garrette]

---snip--- I was very careful not to give any information,

I am sorry to point this out, but everything you have said in this thread (and the one about Caputo) has indicated that you are not. I believe that you think you provide no information, but it is far harder not to give information than you think it is.

answering yes or no and making very little facial expressions.

1. Answering yes or no is most definitely giving information and providing feedback

2. Making very little facial expressions is most definitely giving information and providing feedback

3. Simply being there in her presence is giving information

I'm not stupid.

No one here has suggested you are. Intelligence is not an issue at all.

What many have implied, and what I am stating outright, is that you are ill-equipped to conduct such an analysis of authenticity, as based on your comments here.

I went in as a skeptic and wanted the cleanest experience possible.

Please clarify this. What do you meanb that you went in as a skeptic. Did you actively think that she was a fraud (or mistaken)? Had you had readings before? If you were a skeptic, what led you in to see her?

If Judith was the real deal, she wouldn't need any other information. She only knew my first name, that's it.

No. She knew your approximate age. She knew your approximate socio-economic status. From your minimal facial expressions she knew what was hitting home and what wasn't. From your yes or no answers she knew what was accurate and what was not. And that is assumingly a reading that was strictly cold.

Of course I objectively assess the readings.

I am afraid that you have given no evidence of this at all.

The first one I didn't believe was accurate at all until years later.

Without specifics there is no reason to think that this simply wasn't delayed confirmation bias.

The second session I paid more attention and was happy I was able to get a CD.

So the first session that was eventually the convincing one does not have an associated CD and therefore cannot be verified?

Why did you go back if she gave you information you did not believe? Or did you not go back until years later?

A transcript would not be available. It's a personal thing.

Which is unfortunate because it leaves us at the point where there is exactly zero reason to believe that Turner is authentic and all the reason in the world to believe that she is not.