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Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

Amazing the types the far left will embrace as being "Anti Imperalist Fellow Revolutionaries".
I know this is a tired comparasion, but look all the love that Uncle Joe Stalin got from the militant left all through the 30's and 40's,right up until Khusrchiev's denunciation of him in 1956. The 180 Degree turn after that was amazing to see.
 
Hahaha, one can always count on you, kitten. Now, that's a guest blogger on Christian Science Monitor, quoting a rabid anti-Chavez blogger, quoting disinfo machine Globovision - which is not quoting CNE. Because there is no such announcement to find. And if you'd watched the video behind the last link in my previous post, you wouldn't have parroted this chinese whispers nonsense. Because you don't "mark a ballot" in Venezuela. They have managed what the combined genius of the US high-tech industry seems to have failed to invent - electronic voting machines (actually mostly older laptops) who print paper ballots. Imagine that. So this "no valida" thing they show is certainly not the ballot. And the printed paper ballot the voters will check and put into the box will not say "nulo" when it shouldn't.

Irony again. You castigate someone for quoting anti Chavez stuff yet all your links are pro Chavez nonsense from the same place. No shame.
 
Go on Caprilles. Kick his ass.

On his first day in office, he said, he would halt the "gifts" of free or heavily-subsidised oil to Mr Chavez's left-wing ideological allies in Cuba and Nicaragua. Nor would there be any more discount deals to sympathetic Western leaders such as Ken Livingstone, a Chavez admirer who as London mayor negotiated cheap oil from Caracas for the capital's buses.

The cosy relationship with Iran would end, Mr Capriles added, and he would also review the land expropriations conducted under Mr Chavez's agrarian reform "fiasco" - including the seizure of estates from Britain's Vestey Group.

"We have so many problems here in Venezuela, but Chavez's priority is to create his own world revolution," he said.

"His land reform programme has been a disaster and he sends billions of dollars of oil abroad each year, but there are hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans who have problems putting food on the table.

"For Chavez, that is not important. What matters to him is building what he calls his 21st century socialism."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...as-marathon-man-looks-to-run-down-Chavez.html

I really hope to see him win and bring economic, civil and political freedom to Venezula.
 
Go on Caprilles. Kick his ass.


Ha, and you're talking about lame? I don't see a single exclamation mark, not even an upside down one! Without a bit more enthusiasm that won't go anywhere, pal. Here, i'll help you out with a groovy Capriles ad:


But seriously, that guy is clearly your candidate with your ideology - good luck, dreaming can't hurt! The thing the Venezuelans have going for them compared to most of us is that they have a real choice on Sunday ... as this excellent article describes:

Impressions of the Venezuelan Election: Participatory Democracy vs. Western Democratic Decline

Ewan Robertson said:
[...] Nevertheless, from a democratic perspective, despite the opposition’s unwillingness to present its actual policies to the electorate during the campaign, in Venezuela citizens are presented with a real choice in this (and every) election, with the power to decide in which direction they want the country to go.

In the last major election I witnessed, the British general election in May 2010, the atmosphere was slightly different. In that election I was a parliamentary candidate, standing for a socialist alternative to cuts in public spending and other austerity measures, billed as a necessary response to the capitalist recession. Myself and other activists ran a campaign in the city of Aberdeen, Scotland, which incidentally is of a similar size to Merida in Venezuela. However the similarities end there.

That election was characterized by a sense of apathy, disenchantment, and powerlessness. Like many countries across Europe and North America, the election consisted in presenting the population with two variants of the same pre-designed policy to vote for: in this case further privatisation of public services, frozen wages, job losses, and reduced social benefits. No substantive issues were put on the table for debate. International financial institutions, banks, corporate media, and dominant political currents had already decided that ordinary people would pay for the economic crisis, which was caused by capitalism in general, and financial capital in particular. Whether people voted for the incumbent Labour party, or for the other dominant political forces, the Liberal Democrat or Conservative parties, they would be rubber-stamping what was basically the same policy. The notion of the people having a real say in decision-making, that is, of real democracy, took a back seat. [...]
 
You're such a sucker for state-run propaganda. There's a term for that, begins with "useful".

Want to watch them twist into knots?

Yes or no question; do the people have an inherent right to overthrow a dictator and establish a representational democracy?
 
But seriously, that guy is clearly your candidate with your ideology - good luck

Yep. I support economic, civil and political freedom. I understand that you and "Comrade Hugo" are hostile to all those things, wedded as you are to failed dogmas that were fashionable about a century ago.
 
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Want to watch them twist into knots?

Yes or no question; do the people have an inherent right to overthrow a dictator and establish a representational democracy?

Well now, that depends. Is this hypothetical dictator currently aligned with or against Thegreatsatan?
 
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The months leading up to October will be fun, and the crusaders and the nazi-right will deliver us the gems of the desperate propaganda war - at face value.


Better late than never, I guess. :D

Robrob, if you were successfully made to believe that Hugo Chavez is a dictator, you have a lot of catching up to do. You could read the thread f.e.

UK academics call on UK media to stop cherry-picking the polls and pretending that it is a close race, as the hapless muddy extreme-right has a history of crying foul when they get a good beating by el commandante while their fake pollsters predicted the opposite. :rolleyes:
 
Robrob, if you were successfully made to believe that Hugo Chavez is a dictator, you have a lot of catching up to do. You could read the thread f.e.

You sure you want him to do that? You've been getting slapped around pretty hard on the facts.
 
Freshly released CEPR report "“Venezuela’s Economic Recovery: Is it Sustainable?":

venezuelanalysis said:
[...] “For most analysts over most of the past 13 years, Venezuela’s economic collapse has always been just around the corner,” noted economist Mark Weisbrot, Co-Director of CEPR and co-author of the report. “But it hasn’t happened, and these forecasts appear to have been based on some wishful thinking.”

Venezuela went into recession at the beginning of 2009, during the world economic crisis and recession. Recovery began after five quarters, in the second quarter of 2010. The economy grew by 4.2 percent in 2011, and expanded by 5.6 percent for the first half of 2012. Nonetheless, most forecasts and analysts remain gloomy about Venezuela’s economic future.

“Venezuela’s current economic recovery, as well as the rise in living standards, poverty reduction, and increased access to education and health care since the government got control over its oil industry nearly 10 years ago – all this goes a long way toward explaining why President Hugo Chávez is likely to be re-elected on October 7th,” Weisbrot noted. [...]


Wishful thinking? Ah yes, I remember when during the low oil price plus capitalist crisis period 2008-2009 the usual suspects in this thread rejoiced over dooms day scenarios, while me and others correctly pointed out that oil prices will soon rise again and Venezuela will, for lack of debt and other reasons, recover faster than/contrary to "the West". And continue to diversify its economy. Good times.
 
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well once again in those elections, i see nobody on the opposition side i would vote for, so i would go with Chavez once again. still the best, but i still hope they get a Lula like guy soon. less revolution more reform.
 
Today in Caracas, Chavez' final rally took place - campaigns are over. Now look at that, in one of the murder capitals of the world, as the critics continue to point out, a man who has just beaten cancer - yet here he is taking an incredible bath in the masses. Absolutely fearless. :)

Mark Weisbrot sums it up for The Guardian: Why the US demonises Venezuela's democracy

Mark Weisbrot said:
[...] The state department tries to keep its eyes on the prize: Venezuela is sitting on 500bn barrels of oil, and doesn't respect Washington's foreign policy. That is what makes it public enemy number one, and gets it the worst media coverage. [...]
 
Just another clown dictatorship. Give it time to finish collapsing. He'll have to farm it out once the modern western equipment starts to fail.
 

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