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2012 Debates

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I was watching on my laptop because my son's home with a cold and was watching TV. (Surprisingly good feed - technology's sure getting better.)

I thought it was a bit much when Obama slammed Romney's head in the refrigerator door but then I realized I was listening to the computer and watching Tom and Jerry. (But maybe they could do the next debate as toons?)

How about video games? ;)

http://www.slate.com/articles/video...yan_campaigns_told_in_video_game_fights_.html
 
I think Romney exceeded low expectations while Obama satisfied moderate expectations. Was anyone else's amazed at how much Romney agreed with Obama? I guess Romney thinks going full RINO is his best bet.
 
Snap poll indicates 32% thought it was a tie.


Was Obama potentially sick? I couldn't shake the feeling that Obama was dealing with something. The way he searched for words and took a long time to say anything was similar to how I am when I'm under the weather.
 
At the most I think this will help Romney's baseline voters get out and vote since he didn't screw up and many pundits are saying he won. It will be a confidence booster for them.

I am curious to see the battleground polls and whether or not they will shift much because of this, I doubt it though. I see the national race tightening by 1-2 points for a couple days though.
 
Snap poll indicates 32% thought it was a tie.


Was Obama potentially sick? I couldn't shake the feeling that Obama was dealing with something. The way he searched for words and took a long time to say anything was similar to how I am when I'm under the weather.

I think he was drunk.
 
Some talking head on ABC saying it was the worst debate performance by a sitting president he has ever seen.

I still haven't seen it myself. At work.
 
I think the take on two moments of the debate by TheBlaze (Glenn Becks log) is funny. There were two times when Romney and Obama said something in a light joking way to the moderator. Here's how the Blaze saw it:

ROMNEY LIGHTLY JABS DEBATE MODERATOR: JIM, I LIKE YOU & BIG BIRD, BUT I’D STOP SUBSIDIZING PBS
"Mitt Romney came across comfortable and jovial during the first part of Wednesday’s presidential debate..."

OBAMA SCOLDS MODERATOR JIM LEHRER: ‘I HAD 5 SECONDS BEFORE YOU INTERRUPTED ME’
"Romney lightly joked with him during a discussion on subsidies and Big Bird. Barack Obama? Well, he got a little frustrated and took a shot."


I know, it's the Blaze. But it's a fun site to check out from time to time to see what Spin is all about.
 
I believe the 2 agreed not to talk about the 2 embarrassing tapes that were recently released. I believe they agreed not to do this over the phone. Romney would have loved to of have brought up the old Obama saying that the government needed to teach people how to shop, but than Obama would have brought up the infamous 47% victims remark.

There was a clear conspiracy not to have the content of the 2 tapes brought up during the debate IMO.

I think the old tape of Obama is relevant and should be part of the presidential debate. It wasn't an off the cuff remark. Obama clearly believes that citizens need the government to protect them from them selves. He seems to think that the system is rigged against minorities. I only saw Drudge's caption of the tapes last night, but if what Drudge posted of them is true than Obama has a crisis on his hands potentially.

These weren't silly off the cuff remarks, like Romne's 47% they clearly show he is much further to the left than he claimed to be.
 
While this debate may not directly change any minds, I think the value of most of these debates is to give each campaign more sound bites around which to spin upcoming political ads. Except for the last debate, which I think will stick in the minds of the voters more than any of the others.
 
Romney sharp and steady in first presidential debate

DENVER — In the first presidential debate of the fall campaign, neither Mitt Romney nor President Obama appeared to land a knockout blow or commit the sort of serious blunder that would instantly change the presidential race.

The Republican challenger held his own during a 90-minute encounter that revolved almost exclusively around domestic issues.

Romney, offering sharper answers than Obama and seizing control of the debate at several points, was never ruffled, repeatedly predicting that Obama would provide more “trickle-down government” if he were reelected in November. He defended himself against charges from Obama that his tax cut plan would favor the wealthy.

For his part, Obama tried to bury his opponent in the very thing that Romney is said to crave: data. Repeatedly referring to arguments offered by his leading surrogate, former President Clinton, Obama tried to rebut Romney’s claim that he could balance the budget while cutting tax rates across the board and increasing military spending by $2 billion.

“Math, common sense and our history shows us that's not a recipe for job growth,” Obama said.

But Obama sometimes appeared to struggle to offer fluid descriptions of his own policies — including on healthcare. His campaign appeared to acknowledge that it hadn’t been his best night.
 
Snap poll indicates 32% thought it was a tie.


Was Obama potentially sick? I couldn't shake the feeling that Obama was dealing with something. The way he searched for words and took a long time to say anything was similar to how I am when I'm under the weather.

That is a little too conspiracy thinking for my taste.

As I said earlier in the thread, Obama is a "let's work together" kind of guy and that isn't really a good debating tacit. He is never going to be a go for the juggler type of debater.

Some people are just not good at debating. It's not a matter of how smart you are or aren't, it's just something that some people are good at and others aren't.

I would like to think of myself as smarter than the average bear (but so do most people, :D ) and I am pretty poor at debating in person. I do much better when I have the luxury of thinking my ideas through before putting them to "paper" in a post such as this (not that this or any of my posts are particularly insightful mind you).

The point is, at the end of the day Obama is not a great debater... he held his own but didn't "win" .... that said, according to Nate Silver, it is extremely rare for a debate to make a huge impact on a presidential race anyway so Obama's debating skills probably don't matter all that much. He did just enough to not get pummeled and that's all he really needed to do. Rope-a-dope
 
Obama lost the debate. Even MSNBC accepts that fact. The President has been gutless from day one when confronting Republicans. He deserves to lose. I won't vote for him. Maybe after the new President shows how clueless conservatives really are, a fighter for liberal values will emerge to challenge the Right and he or she will stand tall. Obama had his chance and he failed.
 

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