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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Straw Man said:
Why is Polio virtually eradicated?
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Except, of course, in Nigeria, where lack of information and Islamic insurgency are putting in danger the vaxx programme.

http://www.comminit.com/?q=polio/co...dhood-immunisation-and-attitude-towards-uptak

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/51479-nigerian-unrest-harming-anti-polio-efforts

India also is having problems with Islamic fundies and their anti-vaxx sentiments:
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-Ne...o-drive-launched-in-12-high-risk-KP-districts

An interesting insight into Saudi response to this situation:
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-Ne...administered-anti-polio-drops-in-Saudi-Arabia

So there you are.
Who knew CM's POV was in line with that of villagers in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Nigeria?
 
Not at JREF!
I feel certain you'd be encouraged to apply for the million $ challenge.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Not the vaccine. The virus.
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Your question was not specific. A dead or attenuated noninfectious form of the polio virus definately entered my body.
I cannot know if a live infectious virus entered my body. However, despite polio still occuring in the 60s I did not contract it and the decline in cases around the world coincides with the usage of the vaccine, AND the research in the development of the vaccine showed it to be effective in generating an immune response sufficient to create immunity to future live polio virus.

Did the specific dose of the vax cause me to repel a polio virus infection? Not possible to know if or when that occured. What is possible to discern is that my odds of contracting polio were very greatly reduced by the program of vaccinations occuring before I was born , and that they were futher reduced by my personally being given the vaccine.
Other than paranoid bald contention you have no evidence that this reduction in polio took place by any other means.
 
Clayton,

Would you recommend the polio vaccine for people in areas where polio still exists?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Weak minded people who let themselves be brainwashed into believing big pharma and big business and Republicans have their best interests in mind.
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And Democrats, and the Labour party, and the Conservative party, and a coalition government consisting of the Social Democrats, Socialist People's Party and the Danish Social Liberal Party with parliamentary support from the Red-Green Alliance. Among others.

That's the funny thing about claims that people are being brainwashed by certain flavours of politician into believing that vaccines are safe and effective. Governments round the world, at different times, made up of different political parties with various differences of opinion, have had and continue to have vaccination programmes and to tell people that vaccination is safe and effective. Opposition parties agree with governments on this issue. Why would they do this if it weren't clear that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risk? Does Clayton believe that no politicians, anywhere in the world, of any political persuasion, whether in power or not, have the people's best interests at heart when it comes to vaccination? What does he think their real motivation is? It would have to be a motivation shared by conservatives, socialists, greens and liberals.
 
jdc324 said:
And Democrats, and the Labour party, and the Conservative party, and a coalition government consisting of the Social Democrats, Socialist People's Party and the Danish Social Liberal Party with parliamentary support from the Red-Green Alliance. Among others.

That's the funny thing about claims that people are being brainwashed by certain flavours of politician into believing that vaccines are safe and effective. Governments round the world, at different times, made up of different political parties with various differences of opinion, have had and continue to have vaccination programmes and to tell people that vaccination is safe and effective. Opposition parties agree with governments on this issue. Why would they do this if it weren't clear that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risk? Does Clayton believe that no politicians, anywhere in the world, of any political persuasion, whether in power or not, have the people's best interests at heart when it comes to vaccination? What does he think their real motivation is? It would have to be a motivation shared by conservatives, socialists, greens and liberals.
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These science/medicine conspiracies are always so enormous, I wonder if profit motive can be definitively ruled out. The conspiracy theory is that Big Pharma is lying about vaccines (or whatever) in order to guarantee profits. To ensure that their lies are not exposed and that their profits are not lost, they have to pay off all major political parties in all industrialized countries in the world. They have to pay off all medical researchers in universities and independent institutions in all countries in the world. They need to reach some kind of agreement with the insurance companies, whose interests conflict with Big Pharma's in many instances. They need to keep an eye out for rogue decent people who aren't willing to sacrifice the health and safety of children for profit, then they need the resources to discredit, silence or eliminate these people.

Plus, if the people in on this aren't suicidal, they need to fund two sets of medical research: the real research so that they know what products they themselves should use, and fabricated research to convince the public to buy their products whether they are safe or not. Obviously, they need to keep the real research a secret.

I do not have the figures, but I do not think this is a good business model. It probably costs more to run than it could possibly generate in profit. Plus, there are huge risks of being exposed. So: huge risks for the sake of losing tons of money. Hmmm. No.
 
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Border Reiver said:
You missed the severals parts of the article where the doctor stated that his observations were anecdotal and not scientific?
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They aren't the same?

Isn't the plural of "anecdote", "data"?

That's what CM's 10 year old expert says.

Are you calling him a liar?
 
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BenjaminTR said:
These science/medicine conspiracies are always so enormous, I wonder if profit motive can be definitively ruled out. The conspiracy theory is that Big Pharma is lying about vaccines (or whatever) in order to guarantee profits. To ensure that their lies are not exposed and that their profits are not lost, they have to pay off all major political parties in all industrialized countries in the world. They have to pay off all medical researchers in universities and independent institutions in all countries in the world. They need to reach some kind of agreement with the insurance companies, whose interests conflict with Big Pharma's in many instances. They need to keep an eye out for rogue decent people who aren't willing to sacrifice the health and safety of children for profit, then they need the resources to discredit, silence or eliminate these people.

Plus, if the people in on this aren't suicidal, they need to fund two sets of medical research: the real research so that they know what products they themselves should use, and fabricated research to convince the public to buy their products whether they are safe or not. Obviously, they need to keep the real research a secret.

I do not have the figures, but I do not think this is a good business model. It probably costs more to run than it could possibly generate in profit. Plus, there are huge risks of being exposed. So: huge risks for the sake of losing tons of money. Hmmm. No.
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Okay-people on this thread know that I have identified myself as a University molecular biologist who does not work on vaccines.

As such, I receive the reduced rate payoff/bribe of $20,000 a month (payments if you work directly to hide the death- dealing properties of vaccines, or are a medical doctor, are of course much higher).

But my September check has yet to arrive, and I am ready to blow the entire conspiracy wide open if the Big Pharma Bribe Pool doesn't deliver my payoff in the few days! Remember, I've allowed myself to be vaccinated, and subjected my kids to the "needle of death" just to keep the conspiracy going, but I'm not going to do it for free!

Just a warning...
 
Clayton Moore said:
No vaccinations no autism.


http://abundanthope.net/pages/Healt...re_Not_Vaccinated_Never_Get_Autism_3834.shtml
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Really? https://imfar.confex.com/imfar/2010/webprogram/Paper7336.html

Preliminary data have identified the presence of ASD in the Amish community at a rate of approximately 1 in 271 children using standard ASD screening and diagnostic tools although some modifications may be in order.
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Still waiting on an answer for Polio almost being eradicated from the Earth. The power of prayer, perhaps?
 
Whoops, mail just arrived... I was just kidding about the bribes... Vaccines are very, very safe, just ignore my prior post.
 
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