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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
Exactomundo. I'm sure I've posted that at least 50 times.
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And what if you can become immune, and not have to deal with those diseases at all, or any of their *childhood* complications?

Did anyone ever die or become permanently disfigured from measles? How many, as a percentage? Now, how many become disfigured or die from the vaccine?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Weak minded people who let themselves be brainwashed into believing big pharma and big business and Republicans have their best interests in mind.
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"Bigpharma" and "big business" in this case are mutually exclusive. Either BP makes money with individual vaccines or the insurance industry makes money combining them. Meanwhile physicians and hospitals are losing billions of dollars NOT treating previously common serious diseases. You are telling us physicians are vaccinating themselves out of business KNOWING they are harming kids. Really?

Now, out of the above interests, who is to blame and why?
 
Tomblvd said:
"Bigpharma" and "big business" in this case are mutually exclusive. Either BP makes money with individual vaccines or the insurance industry makes money combining them. Meanwhile physicians and hospitals are losing billions of dollars NOT treating previously common serious diseases. You are telling us physicians are vaccinating themselves out of business KNOWING they are harming kids. Really?

Now, out of the above interests, who is to blame and why?
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Dude just testified that the childhood diseases weren't deadly at all.

And the doctors make about $60 a visit plus a charge for the vaccination procedure plus a profit from the vaccine itself. It's likely a nurse takes care of the whole vaccination cycle.

That means more vaccinations make more money for the doctors and they don't have to do a damn thing.
 
Tomblvd said:
The questionable number is 150 and that includes all ASD.

But what is causing the ASD in kids not vaccinated?
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http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/30/local/la-me-0330-autism-rates-20120330

Autism rates rising sharply, CDC reports
A study of 8-year-olds' health records indicates 1 in 88 are affected. Specialists say better diagnoses explain much of the surge.
March 30, 2012|By Alan Zarembo, Los Angeles Times
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The previous estimate was 1 in 110.
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The article goes on to say that the poor are less likely to become autistic.

Translated to common sense it means that poor parents are less likely to keep pace with the insane vaccine schedule.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Dude just testified that the childhood diseases weren't deadly at all.

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Who's Dude? You said that mothers exposed their children to deadly diseases. You have now learned that they were not deadly diseases. We are making progress.
 
Clayton Moore said:
That means more vaccinations make more money for the doctors and they don't have to do a damn thing.
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Except help children resist awful diseases like Tb and polio. What a bunch of cads these doctors are. Far better just to let the kids suffer.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Dude just testified that the childhood diseases weren't deadly at all.
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Meningitis isn't deadly?!

Whooping Cough?

Diphtheria?

Rubella?

Are you crazy?

Anyway, even assuming they aren't "deadly", they still need hospitalization in many cases. And THAT makes the greedy doctor more that $60.

And the doctors make about $60 a visit plus a charge for the vaccination procedure plus a profit from the vaccine itself. It's likely a nurse takes care of the whole vaccination cycle.

That means more vaccinations make more money for the doctors and they don't have to do a damn thing.
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How does a doctor make more money preventing a disease rather than treating it?
 
Clayton Moore said:
The article goes on to say that the poor are less likely to become autistic.

Translated to common sense it means that poor parents are less likely to keep pace with the insane vaccine schedule.
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That "common sense" would only apply if vaccines were the cause of autism.

Are you really that ignorant, Clayton?
 
Clayton Moore said:
The article goes on to say that the poor are less likely to become autistic.

Translated to common sense it means that poor parents are less likely to keep pace with the insane vaccine schedule.
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LOL! So the reason the rates have risen among the non vaccinated because of better detection but this better detection has nothing to do with the rise among vaccinated children.

Also "common sense" tells you that the reason poorer states have lower rates is due to the parents not being able to keep up with vaccinations, not because the poorer areas can't afford the tests needed for better detection.


Wow you really haven't been thinking things through lately.
 
Redtail said:
LOL! So the reason the rates have risen among the non vaccinated because of better detection but this better detection has nothing to do with the rise among vaccinated children.

Also "common sense" tells you that the reason poorer states have lower rates is due to the parents not being able to keep up with vaccinations, not because the poorer areas can't afford the tests needed for better detection.


Wow you really haven't been thinking things through lately.
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Another possible explanation could be that since autism in children has been linked to the age of the parents the earlier pregnancies in poorer families might also play a role. But it's got to be the vaccine schedule so that can't be true.
 
Clayton Moore said:
The article goes on to say that the poor are less likely to become autistic.

Translated to common sense it means that poor parents are less likely to keep pace with the insane vaccine schedule.
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I think you should start reading your own links to the very end, CM. The article concludes:

...CDC officials acknowledged the limitations of their analysis. In surveillance areas where researchers had access only to health records, and not school records, prevalence estimates were generally lower. Including the capital city of Raleigh in North Carolina's surveillance area dramatically increased the state's rate.

"Our study really is more of a study of demographic differences and population differences," said Jon Baio, a CDC epidemiologist and principal investigator on the report.

The researchers hope, however, that the study will draw attention to the need for more vigorous screening early in children's lives. Research shows that early intervention offers autistic children the best long-term prospects

More than a fifth of children identified as autistic by the CDC had no autism diagnoses in their records.

Dr. Coleen Boyle, director of the CDC's National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, said that children "still aren't being identified enough." ...
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Clayton Moore said:
When you see the term wow I'd advise you to sense sarcasm.
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I don't speak teenager in mom's basementspeak. I speak English. Perhaps you could warn us in advance when you are going to be humorous, so we can spot it.
 
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Moss said:
Another possible explanation could be that since autism in children has been linked to the age of the parents the earlier pregnancies in poorer families might also play a role. But it's got to be the vaccine schedule so that can't be true.
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Exactly. I was 39 when our son was conceived, on top of that my wife's father was diagnosed with a mild form of aspergers. We've been keeping a very close eye on Micheal & he hasn't shown any of the early signs so far. (Although he does have an obsession with one of the cats.)
 
dafydd said:
Believe it. Measles, mumps, chicken pox, German measles and whooping cough are not deadly diseases if you catch them at an early age. I had them all. All my class did. Nobody died. Mothers knew this but you don't. We are not talking about the Black Death or Typhoid.
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Well, nobody you know died...

Measles and whooping cough can be deadly diseases though. In England, there were 85 deaths per year from measles in the 60s (up to 1968 when the vaccine was introduced) and 140 per year in the 50s. And in the United States, measles caused 450 reported deaths and 4,000 cases of encephalitis annually before measles vaccine became available in the mid-1960s.

We had an unfounded whooping cough vaccine scare in England in the late 70s - immunisation coverage dropped to 30% in 1975 resulting in major epidemics in 1977/79 and 1981/83. From 1978 to 1982 there were 44 deaths from pertussis.
 
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