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actually when I had chiken pox when I was 5 back in the early 50s , our family doctor came to our house, and my mother took notes when he gave advice.
She often spoke of him reverently about what he said concerning my brother and I.
 
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I've just asked 3, and heard many tales from these people being treated as kids for childhood diseases by their doctor.

That's crap. Doctors had no medicine to cure common childhood diseases. Bed rest and chicken soup were the order of the day.

You didn't go to the doctors so you wouldn't spread the disease to already ill children.
 
That's crap. Doctors had no medicine to cure common childhood diseases. Bed rest and chicken soup were the order of the day.
In as much as this may have at one time been true, parents did not presume to have known the difference between, say, the flu and food poisoning.

They went to the doctor for diagnosis where such were available.

What diseases so you 'think' they treated, and with what medicine?

And you know, outhouses and water hauled in from the well contaminated by the same *also* used to be the order of the day.

Why do you suppose that changed?



And why do you continue to ignore the millions of parents who do *not* blame vaccines for their children's autism?
You didn't go to the doctors so you wouldn't spread the disease to already ill children.
Which disease, and how did you know that "already ill" children were liable to catch it?
 
That's crap. Doctors had no medicine to cure common childhood diseases. Bed rest and chicken soup were the order of the day.

You didn't go to the doctors so you wouldn't spread the disease to already ill children.

The wording of your post makes it clear to me that you know doctors used to do more home visits, which are now rare because of their inefficiency and lack of access to the more sophisticated medical technology that can't be packed in a black bag. So I think you are not only trying to change the topic, but also doing it in a misleading way.

What time are we discussing? Doctors have had a lot more resources than bed rest and chicken soup (a Jewish invention?) for a long long time. They couldn't cure many of the childhood diseases, but they could treat some of their symptoms and intervene to counteract high fevers, breathing problems, and secondary infections.

Do you know the best way to prevent children with these diseases from spreading them to other children? Vaccinate them before they get sick! Proven by science, not by unsupported proclamation!
 
Clayton,
If anything, doctors were considered much more like gods in the 1920's to 1950's! Now their status is generally much more as technicians. At least in the US. It is ironic, because the can do a lot more to treat diseases now than back then. But I think people needed to have more faith in their doctor's abilities when there was less hope.
 
Maybe a little education on how the immune system actually works will show how utterly nonsensical the "9 vaccines is too many for an infant" truly is.
Antibodies work by having several parts of the antigenes they make match the virus/bacteria they recognize, thus latching on and removing it from the blood.
BUT
Your body would be swarmed if it only reacted on what enters, as there is no way to know what forgein matter enters at any time. So instead of reacting, the body proacts.
Every day hundreds of thousends of white blood cells producing antibodies are made. And all these antibodies are slightly different from each other due to a highly sophisticated randomization mechanism.
There is a filter mechanism that prevents antibodies recognizing our own proteins from expressing, but otherwise there are no limits.
This means that your body (and that of an infant) does not have the antibodies to stop a disease or two, it has antibodies agains literally hundreds of thousands of diseases at the same time.
If and when one of these antibodies gets a hit there is a very cunning feedback loop that ensures that suddenly that one cell producing that one antibody will get multiplied without variation, flooding your blood with a burst of white blood cells against the intruder(s). And for some diseases it even "fixes" the type of white blood cell so there will always remain a number in your blood to prevent that disease from recurring.

Nine vaccines, to an infants immune system isnt a challenge, its barely even noticable.
Especially as an infants immune system is far more active as it needs to build up resistances, which it can only do by encountering them.
Now there are two ways to do that. Vaccines or letting the children get the diseases.
Option 2 was used for most of human history and caused immense amounts of deaths and deformation.
Option 1 doesnt. Because even IF your autism claim were true (and all scientific studies show its not), the incidence is still far lower than the death and suffering caused by not vaccinating.
 
That's crap. Doctors had no medicine to cure common childhood diseases. Bed rest and chicken soup were the order of the day.

You didn't go to the doctors so you wouldn't spread the disease to already ill children.

Don't be so silly. When I was a child mothers would expose their children to the childhood diseases so the kids would catch them as early in their life as possible. If a kid in our street had say the measles and you hadn't caught it yet you were packed off to play with the child. It was a form of vaccination. Your zero research policy is not doing you any favours.
 
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You didn't go to the doctors so you wouldn't spread the disease to already ill children.




Don't be so silly. When I was a child mothers would expose their children to the childhood diseases so the kids would catch them as early in their life as possible.

I've come to expect no less.
 
Don't be so silly. When I was a child mothers would expose their children to the childhood diseases so the kids would catch them as early in their life as possible. If a kid in our street had say the measles and you hadn't caught it yet you were packed off to play with the child. It was a form of vaccination. Your zero research policy is not doing you any favours.

Wow. Can you believe mothers would endanger their children by exposing them to deadly diseases?
 
I've come to expect no less.

Neither have we. Now answer my question:

In earlier threads you blamed greedy physicians, hospitals and "BigPharma" for pushing vaccines.

Now you are blaming insurance companies for pushing combination vaccines to save money (at the expense of physicians).

Which is it? You have two mutually exclusive theories here.

Who specifically is to blame?
 
Wow. Can you believe mothers would endanger their children by exposing them to deadly diseases?

Believe it. Measles, mumps, chicken pox, German measles and whooping cough are not deadly diseases if you catch them at an early age. I had them all. All my class did. Nobody died. Mothers knew this but you don't. We are not talking about the Black Death or Typhoid.
 
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Neither have we. Now answer my question:

In earlier threads you blamed greedy physicians, hospitals and "BigPharma" for pushing vaccines.

Now you are blaming insurance companies for pushing combination vaccines to save money (at the expense of physicians).

Which is it? You have two mutually exclusive theories here.

Who specifically is to blame?

Weak minded people who let themselves be brainwashed into believing big pharma and big business and Republicans have their best interests in mind.
 
Which would you rather have Clayton, the polio vaccine or children in iron lungs or clumping about in leg braces? I saw enough of them when I was a kid. I got the vaccine for which I am eternally grateful.
 
It is quite common for measles parties and chickenpox parties to occur. How did you not know this?

A complete lack of research. Otherwise he would know that these diseases are not deadly if you catch them in childhood. Even the most lumpen mother in Glasgow knew that when I was a kid.
 
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Believe it. Measles, mumps, chicken pox, German measles and whooping cough are not deadly diseases if you catch them at an early age. I had them all. All my class did. Nobody died.




Exactomundo. I'm sure I've posted that at least 50 times.
 
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