iPhone 5

[TheL8Elvis]

I dont want to carry one around with me, I want to replace an old battery when the need arises.

Great. Pay the $75 and have apple do it. Pay much less and do it yourself if you are handy.

It can be done. If you think it's not worth the extra money, that's fine. It's a trade-off.

 

[quadraginta]

I was referring to people I know IRL. But as I said in that thread,
People who need extra batteries, swap SD cards, root/jailbreak thier phones, etc are the exception, not the rule.

Yes. As I said. Less emphatic.

I don't see why something like this, Stitchway UltraPower 1900 mAh Backup Battery Charger for iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, 4G, iPod, and iPod touch - External, Portable, Rechargeable (Black) isn't pretty much functionally equivalent. It's small, portable and cheap. I think that makes the non-removable battery a non-issue for those few folks who feel the need to have spare batteries.

A device which gets over 300 one star ratings out of 1000 customer reviews on Amazon is not going to envelop me with any sense of security. A couple of spare OEM batteries at roughly the same price per piece OTOH ...

There really isn't any very good reason to have a phone battery be non-removable in the first place, except to force the consumer into a manufacturer maintenance/replacement chain. Batteries go belly up all the time, both through QC issues and normal usage. If you've got one or two spares anyhow then it's no big deal. If the little beast is sewn into the gizmo then you're stuck with a visit to the repair guy.

No thanks.

 

[merentha]

So if you need directions how is just a light tap going to pull them up for you? Or select the song you want to hear? Or dial a particular phone number?

And if the car you own doesn't have a Siri button (mine doesn't and I won't be buying a new car in the next few years) I grab it from the cup holder, press the home button and tell Siri what I want.

NFC tags isn't there to replace Siri, but to automate stuff that should be automated. This article probably explains it better.

 

[Dan O.]

Yes. As I said. Less emphatic.

A couple of spare OEM batteries at roughly the same price per piece OTOH ...

I take it that the $4.34 price is just a glitch on Amazon's site.

 

[Furcifer]

It probably has more to do with space than some evil conspiracy. I'm not sure why people pick one or two features and say it is a failure for not including them. Pretty much every phone is missing some feature from other phones, and hopefully have some that others don't. That is kinda the point of the market and consumer decision.

I quite literally don't buy that. Even if you did, explain how I can buy micro SD for about .50/Gb retail and Apple is charging about $5? They're using "different" memory? Maybe, but why would it be "different"? Size again? I find that hard to believe considering how small it is to begin with. Maybe it's "better" than class 10 micro in terms of performance? I doubt it considering it seems to be good enough for every other manufacturer.

IMO there's a serious loss of functionality going with integrated memory. That and wifi were the big considerations for me when I bought my current phone 3 years ago. Considering how Apple seems to pride itself on being on the "cutting edge" I really think they missed the boat here. I could be mistaken though, perhaps people don't use their phones the way I do.

 

[Furcifer]

Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7 ? It aint just apple.

I'm sure they all do, certainly. That being said, does the Nexus or the 7 come in (or more accurately was it released with) different memory sizes? I don't recall seeing the Nexus coming in 8Gb and 16Gb versions from launch.

 

[WildCat]

Now they are making you buy an adapter! Those sneaky bastards, updating their nine-year-old tech...

Odd, everyone else has been using the old standard tech without problems. 1/8" stereo jacks have been around for decades, USB plugs of various types since 1994.

But Apple likes to have proprietary interfaces, not because theirs are any better but because they can charge the rubes more money.

 

[kajata]

NFC tags isn't there to replace Siri, but to automate stuff that should be automated. This article probably explains it better.

OK, read the article. So if I tap my phone to my dash or wherever my phone is now in car mode. That's great. But if you want to do anything else you have to interact with the phone somehow. I suggested iPhone users "talk" to Siri. You said why all that talking when you can tap. Tapping will do hardly anything that Siri or the similar tech in Android phones will allow you to do while in the car.

 

[WildCat]

Great. Pay the $75 and have apple do it. Pay much less and do it yourself if you are handy.

It can be done. If you think it's not worth the extra money, that's fine. It's a trade-off.

For half of that (at least) I can change the battery on my S3 without any tools at all. In fact, everyone who has one has already installed the battery themselves because it doesn't ship with the battery installed.

 

[kajata]

Odd, everyone else has been using the old standard tech without problems. 1/8" stereo jacks have been around for decades, USB plugs of various types since 1994.

"USB plugs of various types since 1994"? You mean they haven't used just one style of plug all that time?!

 

[WildCat]

"USB plugs of various types since 1994"? You mean they haven't used just one style of plug all that time?!

You can buy most any adapter you need, and for $5 or so since it's all non-proprietary standard interfaces.

 

[This is The End]

2nd level quotes don't appear in responses.

The first time you dishonestly snipped my post to remove the relevant 2nd part. That is quite clear to anyone that reads my first response to you in this thread.

The second time you chose to not include the quote. Just because it doesn't automagically do it for you does not mean it is hard. The telling part was when you accused me of not posting "'actual facts and figures". You cant blame missing that on the forum.

Please elaborate. You claim apple has only 12million active devices but my post is a fail ?

In the USA. It was quite clear. I doubt anyone thought I meant worldwide except for you.

So what did you do? You flailed, grasped at strawmen, and moved the goalposts.

Everyone can go to that thread to see my response.

I think the main point is, that I was being quite optimistic about Apple in this thread. Yet you had blinders on and couldn't even see it.

 

[kajata]

You can buy most any adapter you need, and for $5 or so since it's all non-proprietary standard interfaces.

Apple's dock connector does a lot more than USB.

This is a good article that explains it all...

http://www.cultofmac.com/178093/the-future-of-apples-dock-connector-feature/

 

[This is The End]

Why anybody would compare the number of physical devices by a single manufacturer to the number of operating system installs across multiple manufacturers is not clear to me.

You do realize that at least half of the Android phones are Samsung right?

More specifically, IDC pegged Android's gain "directly" to Samsung, which represented 44% of all Android phones shipped during the quarter.

So even by your logic, the 3 or 4 top Samsung phones have about 30%, compared to Apples 3 or 4 top phones at 17%.

Sorry!

 

[This is The End]

Another metric: According to NetMarketShare*, iOS has a 65% share of mobile internet traffic, vs. 21% for Android. It seems that Android owners don't use their phones and tablets for much web browsing....

Notice how you say "mobile" only at first but then later you and your link say the stats are for "mobile & tablets"....

We're talking about phones only...

 

[tyr_13]

I'm disappointed in this release. Everything on it was something that was badly needed to ketch up, but like others have said, no wow. The better 16:9 support helps, and the fact that the larger screen still has the same pixel density is a plus. But really, thinner, faster, slightly bigger. Unless the OS changes have something then the only reason to get an iPhone5 is if you already have an iPhone.

I'm going to have people pissed at me because they waited, and have trouble keeping the 4 and 4s in. We just sold the last 3GS a week ago, and I'm afraid people will be wanting it again too.

What could they have put in for a 'wow' factor? A screen with better pixel density maybe instead of one 30% thinner? Already I've been asked it it will be easier to break. A projected keyboard? A different form factor that actually helped? Stereo cameras with cool integrated software? Twenty hours of battery power? Hell, I don't know. Then again, I only sell the things and am not several teams of highly trained, experienced, and paid developers.

The 4S was labeled an incremental improvement hold over, and it had more wow with the nicer camera and Siri than the 5 does. Oh it will sell ever well, there is a pent up consumer base to feed. But I just can't get excited.

Not for this phone anyway. I can't wait for the Note 2.

 

[This is The End]

Someone referred to thinness and screensize as Samsung innovations. That is just a continuation of what Apple has been doing with the iX line, including the iMac.

OH please. It's a continuation of what has been happening in electronics for over 50 years. To attribute that to Apple and iMacs is just....... ugh.

 

[This is The End]

It has A/V out.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/13/3329062/apple-lightning-hdmi-vga-cable-adapter-coming-months

Read your link again. The adapter does not have A/V out. They are talking about the new HDMI cable not the adapter.

From your own link:

Originally, the fact that the $29 Lightning to 30-pin adapter doesn't support video output led to worries that the Lightning connector itself was to blame,

Again, it is just clearing up worries that ALL cables will not have A/V. Like the adapter.

Here's a link to the post back on page 2 with the info:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8614444#post8614444

Does anyone seriously think that Apple could not have made Video 100% compatible with the adapter?

They did this for forced upgrade reasons entirely. And they are still charging $30 for the thing!

 

[tyr_13]

OH please. It's a continuation of what has been happening in electronics for over 50 years. To attribute that to Apple and iMacs is just....... ugh.

It's also crazy to attribute them to Samsung no?

But what I think was being referred to was that on cell phones, a large screen with a thin profile was an 'innovation' of Samsung. Well, it isn't really. What it is however is a direction and philosophy of cell phone design that Apple was very much against, and had to be drug kicking and screaming into. They insisted that changing the screen size would be the wrong thing to do, and by they I mean Jobs specifically if I remember correctly. Hell, many Apple fans, if not the company itself, mocked larger phones.

But larger phones sold, and sold well. People found that the bigger sizes worked better for most people, which is why the iPhone 4 and especially the 4S is smaller than most of their contemporary 'high end' smartphone brethren.

There were of course dirty little design reasons why a larger screen was problematic. iOS didn't have scaling built in very well. It couldn't do different screen sizes without a lot of tweaking. This had some advantages sure, but it became a liability when people wanted versatility.

 

[WildCat]

Apple's dock connector does a lot more than USB.

This is a good article that explains it all...

http://www.cultofmac.com/178093/the-future-of-apples-dock-connector-feature/

"By switching to a proprietary Dock Connector, Apple could not only allow accessory makers to easily make their devices communicate with an iPod without drivers, they could also launch a profitable “Made for iPod” licensing business."

Ah yes, the primary extra thing it does is make more money for Apple. But I already said that.