Egypt Protesters storm US Embassy

[Strawberry]

Its illegal to incite a riot, isn't it? What's the difference?

The difference is that he didn't incite a riot. He provoked a riot, do you understand the difference?

Its the difference between someone saying "rape me" and someone walking down the road in a short skirt.

 

[WildCat]

Its illegal to incite a riot, isn't it? What's the difference?

Because what Jones did is not even remotely incitement under US law. Nor should it be in any country where freedom of speech is valued.

 

[angrysoba]

Phew!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.3f9e31a4cbb01286e617255829feb152.2c1

That article has some stuff about Romney attacking the administration for sympathizing with the attackers quite desperate, no?

Well, Romney could end up making himself look like the biggest arsehead by desperately trying to pin some blame for this on Obama.

 

[Mike!]

Maybe they can take some hostages too,
then Obama can call Jimmy in,
and ask him what he'd do.

It's like a bad episode of That 70's Show.

 

[Lowpro]

Call me irreverent, but I won't let them take my humor away from me!

 

[ponderingturtle]

For . . .not throwing Terry Jones in prison . . . for making a movie that is judged to insult islam or the prophet M?


Connect it up for me, because I am not sure movie-makers (even Michael Bay) deserve prison time so that I can avoid being seen as "pro . . . killing Marines."

I was taking as more a second amendment stance about standing up to government troops. I am pretty sure I miss enterperated it though.

 

[NoahFence]

Because what Jones did is not even remotely incitement under US law. Nor should it be in any country where freedom of speech is valued.

OK, so no prison time.

Sedate him and drop him off OUTSIDE the Embassy gates in Egypt. Let the horde take care of him. Either way, he knew DAMN well what was going to happen, and should not have provoked them. American lives were lost specifically because this idiot can't grow up.

 

[Eddie Dane]

Maybe they can take some hostages too,
then Obama can call Jimmy in,
and ask him what he'd do.

It's like a bad episode of That 70's Show.

Send in the SEALS?

 

[Strawberry]

OK, so no prison time.

Sedate him and drop him off OUTSIDE the Embassy gates in Egypt. Let the horde take care of him. Either way, he knew DAMN well what was going to happen, and should not have provoked them. American lives were lost specifically because this idiot can't grow up.

An al Qaeda affiliated group uses some stupid thing on You Tube as a pretext to attack your embassy on the anniversary of 9/11, and you want the author of the You Tube clips thrown to the mob?

Pathetic.

 

[richardm]

That's not Muslims angry and protesting about a movie, that's a planned terrorist attack.

Possibly, but in Libya there are a lot of weapons kicking around. I don't think that it's impossible for it to be largely unplanned spur-of-the-moment thing rather than a carefully planned assassination.

 

[NoahFence]

An al Qaeda affiliated group uses some stupid thing on You Tube as a pretext to attack your embassy on the anniversary of 9/11, and you want the author of the You Tube clips thrown to the mob?

Pathetic.

That's exactly right. Apparently you're not familiar with the good Mr. Jones, are you? He WANTS to provoke a war, and these deaths are exactly what he's looking for. If that's not a scumbag, I don't know what is.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

Its illegal to incite a riot, isn't it? What's the difference?

This is a serious question?

Do you hold the same view for anyone speaking up about abortions or opening an abortion clinic?

Is the lesson for the other religions out there that they just have to get more and more violent until everyone is afraid to speak out against them -- and then the government will aid in suppressing criticism by throwing anyone in jail who might offend them?

Did you support the jailing of those who made cartoons that offended islamists? After all, there were a number of riots then, too -- "What's the difference?"

These are nt rhetorical questions, they lead from your apparent desire to lock people up for making movies. I am trying to determine where your policy designed to stop riots ends -- you seem to be seriously advocating locking people up for offending others. Do I understand that correctly?

 

[Puppycow]

So here's what I'm wondering now:

Did these simultaneous attacks in two countries begin on 9/11 or 9/12? It's 9/12 where I am, but is there a 9/11 connection here? If so, were these an al-Qaeda planned attacks, or just a random mob of angry Muslims? The Ambassador was killed by a rocket-propelled grenade, which is not a weapon you would expect a civilian to have.

If that's the case, maybe this film is just a handy cover story.

Let's not blame the filmmakers or Terry Jones for this. Let's recognize it for what it is: an unjustifiable act of murder. No words or film cartoon, however offensive some people might find them, can justify murder. Freedom of speech means the freedom to offend.

There are some limits to freedom of speech, like libel, slander or incitement to violence, but simply being offensive or blasphemous in the eyes of some should fall within the scope of protected speech.

 

[marksman]

The connection, from what I heard on the Today show this morning, is that the imam who started whipping his followers into a frenzy was claiming that the "movie" (which is in reality a YouTube video posted months ago) was going to be release nationwide in American theaters on the anniversary of 9/11. In that sense, 9/11 was used to render his story somewhat credible (though it's entirely fabricated) and to explain why he was only now getting enraged about a video released a while ago.

 

[Childlike Empress]

So here's what I'm wondering now:

Did these simultaneous attacks in two countries begin on 9/11 or 9/12? It's 9/12 where I am, but is there a 9/11 connection here? If so, were these an al-Qaeda planned attacks, or just a random mob of angry Muslims? The Ambassador was killed by a rocket-propelled grenade, which is not a weapon you would expect a civilian to have.

If that's the case, maybe this film is just a handy cover story.

This article has a possible explanation:

[...] that stupid hate-speech movie was likely only the pretext for yesterday's riots and the attacks on U.S. embassies and consulates.

The real reason, though unmentioned yet in the media, was likely this:

Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri has released a video coinciding with the anniversary of the September 11 attacks, confirming for the first time the death of his deputy, US monitors said.

The 42-minute video is Zawahiri's first release in three months, and confirms that Abu Yahya al-Libi was killed in a drone strike in Pakistan's Waziristan tribal area on June 4, according to SITE and IntelCenter.​

Yesterday's confirmation of Abu Yahya al-Libi's death seems to be a much better explanation for yesterday's raising of al-Qaeda's flag in front of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and the deadly attack on the consulate in Bengahzi. The AQ people in the area will certainly have had an urge and a plan to avenge al-Libi. That this happened on the anniversary of 9/11 is NOT a coincidence! These people used the movie story only to raise additional rabble to cover for them:

Al-Libi was a citizen of Libya, who was captured by ISAF forces in the Invasion of Afghanistan a year after 9/11 (Pakistani authorities and turned over to American authorities, who eventually put him in the Bagram prison.) and was held in extrajudicial detention in the Bagram interim detention facility. [...] Al-Libi was one of several high-profile Bagram captives who escaped on the night of July 10, 2005.​

Al-Libi had one interest in common with Chris Stevens:

On March 12, 2011 al-Libi urged his countrymen to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi's regime and establish Islamic rule, expanding the terror network's attempts to capitalize on the wave of unrest sweeping the region.​

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In the comments are photos allegedly showing the ambassador in the hands of a mob - unclear what the exact circumstances are (is he dead and they retrieve him? or alive and they are about to kill him? doesn't look like killed by a grenade, though).

 

[NoahFence]

This is a serious question?

Do you hold the same view for anyone speaking up about abortions or opening an abortion clinic?

Is the lesson for the other religions out there that they just have to get more and more violent until everyone is afraid to speak out against them -- and then the government will aid in suppressing criticism by throwing anyone in jail who might offend them?

Did you support the jailing of those who made cartoons that offended islamists? After all, there were a number of riots then, too -- "What's the difference?"

These are nt rhetorical questions, they lead from your apparent desire to lock people up for making movies. I am trying to determine where your policy designed to stop riots ends -- you seem to be seriously advocating locking people up for offending others. Do I understand that correctly?

The lesson is that this idiot knew damn well what was going to happen, he wanted it to happen, and it did happen. At some point in time, someone has to say "screw it" and NOT provoke the other side just for the sake of doing so. People DIED because some retard provoked other violent retards. That can't be dismissed. SOMETHING needs to be done to curtail this crap. I will not apologize for stating the obvious. If he was simply making a movie for arts sake, like everybody else, that's different. He made these knowing full well what the result would be.

 

[Daald]

Seems that I knew one of the guys that was killed.

I play an online game called EvE. It's basically internet spaceships mmorpg. He was the diplomat for the alliance that I am in.

Very sad

Here is a the story one of his friends put up. It is eve centric of course.

http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat

 

[marksman]

The youtube video was posted months ago with no reaction whatsoever. As hateful as it may be, it's not the provocation for these riots. The imam who provoked the riots did so my fabricating a story about the video being released in theaters. Even if the video didn't exist, the imam would have invented a different fabricated story.

Terry Jones is a hateful bigot, but he is not to blame for these riots and blaming him takes away attention from the real culprit: the imam stoking the flames.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

The lesson is that this idiot knew damn well what was going to happen, he wanted it to happen, and it did happen. At some point in time, someone has to say "screw it" and NOT provoke the other side just for the sake of doing so. People DIED because some retard provoked other violent retards. That can't be dismissed. SOMETHING needs to be done to curtail this crap. I will not apologize for stating the obvious. If he was simply making a movie for arts sake, like everybody else, that's different. He made these knowing full well what the result would be.

And people drew cartoons "knowing full well" the reaction from violent islamists. So throw them to the mob, too.

Let's make a list right now of things we cannot criticize, now that we know full well that violent crazies will sieze upon the flimsiest excuse to shut us up.

But recognize: that lsit is going to get ever longer. Because your actions in appeasing their demands will just serve to increase those demands and increase the violence until nothing, no matter how trivial, can be said against them.

 

[NoahFence]

And people drew cartoons "knowing full well" the reaction from violent islamists. So throw them to the mob, too.

Let's make a list right now of things we cannot crticise, now that we know full well that violent crazies will sieze upon the flimsiest excuse to shut us up.

But recognize: that lsit is going to get ever longer. Because your actions in appeasing their demands will just serve to increase those demands and increase the violence until nothing, no matter how trivial, can be said against them.

What then do you suggest we do about people like that? These animals over there will riot over a pin drop. They can't be reasoned with, and making these video's only stokes the flames. How do we prevent that? Surely you're not saying just leave everything as is and allow hate speech to prevail, and lead to more violence?

What needs to happen is both sides need to stfu and get together and accept that people are different. Ideally they'd get together and realize they're fighting for nothing because there's no god to begin with, and even if there was it's pretty clear he doesn't care about us. Absent that, how do we combat this type of stupidity?