Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[twinstead]

Sadly, most of them will simply claim the evidence was planted subsequent to the Apollo missions. I would bet money on it

 

[Multivac]

But... but... they have a newsletter!

Wow! Their claims must be real then.

Real stupid.

 

[Multivac]

Sadly, most of them will simply claim the evidence was planted subsequent to the Apollo missions. I would bet money on it

Sadly, you are probably correct.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I can't help but wonder, if medieval Europe had the internet, how long would America hoax believers hold out against accepting that people had gone there, and what would their 'proof' of a hoax be.

 

[drewid]

I can't help but wonder, if medieval Europe had the internet, how long would America hoax believers hold out against accepting that people had gone there, and what would their 'proof' of a hoax be.

It's all a plot to introduce tobacco to pacify the population

 

[Belz...]

The thing with people who believe in the moon landing hoax is that, one day in the not too distant future, there will again be a human presence on the moon.

When that day happens, the evidence for both the Apollo missions and those of whomever gets there next, will become so massively overwhelming that there can be no way to deny the Apollo missions took place short of taking up a position akin to arguing water does not exist.

The moon landing deniers will be proven wrong in ways that even they cannont deny and still claim any sort of moral or intellectual standing.

You underestimate conspiracy theorists: CTs can NEVER be proven wrong.

 

[SpitfireIX]

You underestimate conspiracy theorists: CTs can NEVER be proven wrong.

+1

In the case of the moon they will claim the Chinese were either bribed to say they found Apollo hardware, or they're afraid if they blow the whistle that they'll damage America's credit rating and lose their investments, or that they're faking their missions so they have to pretend that Apollo wasn't fake for consistency, yada yada.

 

[mercatormac]

+1

In the case of the moon they will claim the Chinese were either bribed to say they found Apollo hardware, or they're afraid if they blow the whistle that they'll damage America's credit rating and lose their investments, or that they're faking their missions so they have to pretend that Apollo wasn't fake for consistency, yada yada.

However this does present an opportunity at the moment when most of the HBs aren't aware of China's and India's plans for the moon.
If we can get HBs to agree that finding Apollo artifacts on the moon shows that Apollo is real. Then, when they change their minds and move the goalposts later we can at least use their earlier words against them, which should demonstrate to any lurkers how dishonest they are.

 

[mrbusdriver]

There are some who are saying the Chinese spacewalks are faked, so it would only follow that, when they do get to the Moon, that must be faked too. Seems nobody can accomplish anything in their little minds.

The hoaxies are stuck in a loop...

 

[drewid]

There are some who are saying the Chinese spacewalks are faked, so it would only follow that, when they do get to the Moon, that must be faked too. Seems nobody can accomplish anything in their little minds.

The hoaxies are stuck in a loop...

That's projection for you.

 

[Belz...]

Seems nobody can accomplish anything in their little minds.

...Anything but a mind-boggingly complex and airtight conspiracy involving thousands.

 

[000063]

Anyone who doesn't know about the Apollo-related issue of space radiation can see a partial summary of it in post #1 of the moon-hoax thread in the "Club" section of the "SpursTalk" forum. I'd post some of it here, but it would be off-topic. These pro-Apollo posters here are well aware of the issue.

I discussed it quite extensively on ATS. The dosage, with shielding, was well within non-lethal limits, and the amount NASA had anticipated and shielded for was actually higher than what they found. Subsequent missions by other countries had similar figures on radiation.

Posting in this thread instead of the original because it's off-topic there.

 

[Dcdrac]

LRO pictures of the Landing SItes

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/index.html

Clavius site Radiation Primer

http://www.clavius.org/envradintro.html

 

[Dcdrac]

Apollo 11 Landing Site

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-11.html

 

[Dcdrac]

And this is fun

http://eaglelander3d.com/

 

[Ranb]

However this does present an opportunity at the moment when most of the HBs aren't aware of China's and India's plans for the moon.

Some of the HB's that are aware of the Chinese efforts are using it to support their claims. It goes something like the Americans couldn't have gone from sub-orbital flight to a moon landing in less than ten years because the Russians never made it and the Chinese are taking too long.

Ranb

 

[asydhouse]

One of the downsides for you of linking to other forums, is the links and tidbits it throws up, such as this...

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

I'm surprised you even have the audacity to carry on posting after given such a public spanking

I followed that link, and read the first two blog entries on the page. He's analysing some dvd movie by a conspiracy-theorist, and apparently at the end the dummies have become so desperate that now they are claiming we actually did send men to the moon, but not the ones we said we did! (WTF?!)
Apparently someone was afraid they wouldn't get good photos, so they did all the photography etc faked on earth, and kept the chosen "celebrity astronauts" (my quotes to summarize description) for the press conferences, so they sent some anonymous guys to the moon just in case they didn't come back...


It's pretty clear these fools are mentally ill, I would say, isn't it?

 

[sts60]

Half a century ago, President Kennedy made his famous "Why go to the Moon?" speech at Rice University. Here is a pretty good article about the speech and the wheelings and dealings behind JFK's choosing the lunar landing goal, and the creation of the Manned Spacecraft Center (now Johnson Space Center). The real story, with domestic political goals leading to a spectacular technical and scientific triumph for humanity, is far more interesting than the ravings of paranoid conspiracy theorists. And it will be remembered as long as there is a human history, unlike the ephemeral sniping of anonymous and willfully ignorant nobodies which vanishes when the web browser is redirected to videos of kittens playing with string.

...We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too...

 

[threadworm]

I followed that link, and read the first two blog entries on the page. He's analysing some dvd movie by a conspiracy-theorist, and apparently at the end the dummies have become so desperate that now they are claiming we actually did send men to the moon, but not the ones we said we did! (WTF?!)
Apparently someone was afraid they wouldn't get good photos, so they did all the photography etc faked on earth, and kept the chosen "celebrity astronauts" (my quotes to summarize description) for the press conferences, so they sent some anonymous guys to the moon just in case they didn't come back...


It's pretty clear these fools are mentally ill, I would say, isn't it?

The 'we've been, but we faked it anyway' version is a popular variant, because it gets people out of all sorts of uncomfortable spots in terms of the evidence that they find difficult to explain away. It also allows them to bring in all kinds of little sub-plots, like "there are aliens there and we can't show them", and/or "it's actually a whacking great space ship".

It's a pity they didn't pick people better at press conferences tho

 

[Peter May]

It's a gem

Hello everyone, I am a new member. For most of my professional life I have been working with Scanning Electron Microscopy, and X-ray microanalysis, as an engineer and sales rep. I was born in the UK but have spent the last 40 years in Sweden. I have a particular interest in an internet site namely Aulis online, this one like many others seek to discredit the Apollo project. As of today they started scraping the bottom of the conspiracy barrel. I can't post the URL but the title on the site is, Lunar rover-RC model. under heading Apollo/Moon

I have been corresponding with Aulis for couple of months, without I’m afraid much success. They also include on their site several “studies” by Jack White, (recently deceased) and others, providing proof of NASA “fakery” this recent addition is perhaps the most concise I have come across. Please do have a lookand see what you think. It’s a gem!
Regards
Peter.