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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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Belz... said:
Yeah but I fear my typo will... ahem... distract mister FatFreddy from my serious question.
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Naaa, it's almost certain more link spam will follow no matter what you did or said. No distraction necessary.

ETA-But now I have the VH song Panama stuck in my head, so thanks!:p:D
 
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That's really unfortunate. I enjoy moon hoax discussions in part because it's so easy to show that the reasons why the CTers think it's a hoax are misguided.
 
Belz... said:
Yeah but I fear my typo will... ahem... distract mister FatFreddy from my serious question.
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All he will do is spam his yootub video series. A series that takes NASA data from research that applies to long term missions, then cherry picks bits and applies them deceptively to shorter Apollo missions. Not one of the people who make videos in his spam series have any clue about the subject matter.

NOTHING you say against any of them will be addressed. If you are looking for debate, FF88, who has spammed his links on over 100 different forums, is not the one for you:D
 
Erock said:
All he will do is spam his yootub video series. A series that takes NASA data from research that applies to long term missions, then cherry picks bits and applies them deceptively to shorter Apollo missions. Not one of the people who make videos in his spam series have any clue about the subject matter.
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I seriously hope that Freddy is aware of this and is just messing with us (and 100 other forums). The idea that anybody could be this stupid and gullible is frightening.
 
Erock said:
All he will do is spam his yootub video series. A series that takes NASA data from research that applies to long term missions, then cherry picks bits and applies them deceptively to shorter Apollo missions...
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Let me guess: is he still regurgitating the "six feet of lead" thing? That was unambiguously demonstrated not to apply to the Apollo missions over on the old Apollohoax forum, but he refused to acknowledge this fact. He has never, AFAIK, retracted that, so even if you are referring to something else it's simply another example of rocky/DavidC/FatFreddy88/cosmored/etc.'s refusal to admit his failed claims.

twinstead said:
I seriously hope that Freddy is aware of this and is just messing with us (and 100 other forums). The idea that anybody could be this stupid and gullible is frightening.
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It's not just ignorance and gullibility. It's a willful determination to remain ignorant and selectively gullible, and a religious level of stubbornly refusing to examine data that challenges his brittle world-view, and hypocrisy in his accusing others of deception according to behaviors that describe him perfectly.

Which reminds me, FF88/DavidC/etc., please don't think that you can pretend that you haven't been repeatedly called on your dishonesty in your Magic Sand claims, and avoiding the rebuttals thereto, and

the fact that according to your criteria, you are only pretending to mean what you say, you hypocrite.
 
FatFreddy88 said:
It's not proof of a hoax in and of itself, but it's circumstantial evidence that points in the direction of a hoax. Anyway, the hoax has already been proven. I posted a partial summary of hoax proof in a thread in the "Club" section of the SpursTalk forum that you can check out. The fact that what that video shows is only circumstantial evidence doesn't make the rest of the hoax proof go away.
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Really? All I've seen are pathetic claims made by people who haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
 
Well, ChiCon is over, and neither Sy Liebergot nor Story Musgrave got pinned to the wall by the incisive, unanswerable arguments of Patrick 2K or FF88.


Gee, I wonder why? You don't think they were afraid now, do you?

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Tonight the Science Channel has been showing the 2008 series 'When We Left the Earth: The NASA Missions', to honor Neil Armstrong. I would love to see any Apollo hoaxers look John Young in the eye and tell him that his 42 years at NASA (including Gemini 3, Gemini 10, Apollo 10, Apollo 16, STS-1 and STS-9) was based on lies.
 
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Tonight the Science Channel has been showing the 2008 series 'When We Left the Earth: The NASA Missions', to honor Neil Armstrong. I would love to see any Apollo hoaxers look John Young in the eye and tell him that his 42 years at NASA (including Gemini 3, Gemini 10, Apollo 10, Apollo 16, STS-1 and STS-9) was based on lies.
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I have been watching this program since I got home from work at 4:00pm. It is now 1:40am. What a beautiful series. I have to buy it.

I wonder if any of the “hoaxers” are watching the program? Nah, I doubt it, its not a Utoob video.
 
'When We Left the Earth: The NASA Missions', great series. So much footage, so many interviews. To think, hoax believers think either everybody in those control rooms for all those missions were either doped or 'in on it'. All those anguished faces during the Apollo 13 mission, all the excitement during the Apollo 11 mission...that was real life people experiencing real life events.

I just think these conspiracy theorists are jealous that they haven't done anything with their lives.
 
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The thing with people who believe in the moon landing hoax is that, one day in the not too distant future, there will again be a human presence on the moon.

When that day happens, the evidence for both the Apollo missions and those of whomever gets there next, will become so massively overwhelming that there can be no way to deny the Apollo missions took place short of taking up a position akin to arguing water does not exist.

The moon landing deniers will be proven wrong in ways that even they cannont deny and still claim any sort of moral or intellectual standing.

All the accusations of fraud, of deception, of dishonesty they have made.

All the attacks on the character and credibility of brave, talented people that they have been part of.

All the insults, harassment and character assassination they have undertaken.

All the lies, half-truths and wilful ignorance they have partaken in.

It will all be available on the public record and held up for the scorn it rightly deserves.

Sure, they will try to console themselves with ramblings about ‘justifiable doubts’ and how they were 'just asking questions’, maybe even a few bleats about it being ‘an intellectual exercise’.

But we will know they are lying, both to themselves and to us. Deep down, right at the centre of their being they will know, without a doubt, with no way to hide from their conscience or intellect; that they were wrong.



And on that day my friends: we will laugh.
 
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