Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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davefoc said:
It is an interesting aspect of the human condition that knowing that anything is absolutely true may not be possible. We can however approach practical certainty about quite a few things if we make assumptions that the world is pretty much as it seems to us and our ability to draw correct conclusions based on a reasoned analysis of the evidence is not distorted in some way that is undetectable to us.

I believe that the evidence and analysis that supports the view that Obama was born in the US is correct to a level of proof that closely approaches practical certainty. I would vote to convict somebody of murder based on the level of belief that I have that Obama was born in the US.

It is also an interesting aspect of the human condition that many people allow strongly held views to distort their view of reality. Birtherism is a perfect example of that phenomena. The quality of the evidence that has been put forth to support the notion that Obama wasn't born in the US is laughable and the birthers would easily reject it in most situations where they are not so emotionally connected. But given their anti-Obama hysteria they can easily be manipulated to believe absolute nonsense.
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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it... It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

--Joseph Goebbels
 
R.A.F. said:
Now this is a major problem, Robert. we're not going to concede any of your garbage, because it simply is not true.

If you feel you must lie to "make your point", then what does that say about the credibility of your ideas??
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That's been the question for our little friend since nearly day one.
 
Robert Prey said:
So predictable. So you cannot say that you are 100 percent certain that the COLB is an authentic copy, so you once again take the "fifth" and then blame the questioner for asking the question
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Only in the sense that it's nearly impossible to be 100% certain of anything. In the end you go with what has the best evidence, and the best evidence has the authenticity far more likely than any narrative that includes a forged COLB.
 
Robert Prey said:
I understand that lying is routine and common with any government -- especially a criminal government. But it takes a population of mindless sheep for them to get away with it.
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So we're back to you thinking the government is criminal, eh Robert?

So again, if you believe this '100%' why are you not in armed revolt?

Either you don't believe what you are saying or you're a coward and to afraid to defense the constitution, so, .... which is it?
 
gnome said:
Only in the sense that it's nearly impossible to be 100% certain of anything. In the end you go with what has the best evidence, and the best evidence has the authenticity far more likely than any narrative that includes a forged COLB.
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Ask Robert if he is 100% certain that his parents were in fact his parents and how he knows that? Did he do DNA?
 
Robert Prey said:
I'm sorry, but then one must conclude that you yourself are not totally convinced that the document is authentic. That's OK. Neither is Jay.
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Link to the post where I answered your question. No really: do it.

I think it's cute how the only way you can pretend to make headway is to put words in your critics' mouths time after time. It's as if you're completely unable to discuss anything unless your opponent follows the script you've written for him.
 
Robert Prey said:
I'm sorry, but then one must conclude that you yourself are not totally convinced that the document is authentic. That's OK. Neither is Jay. So that must leave the door open for the possibility even in your own mind, that the document is a fraud.
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Robert Prey said:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it... It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

--Joseph Goebbels
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No, Robert. Quote Nazis all you want, but you and the other Birthers are not the great saviors of democracy. You're just a bunch of conspiracy theorists with an axe to grind because your candidate lost, and you really don't know what you're talking about. That's about the size of it. Not everyone but you is a brainwashed sheep. That line of reasoning insult didn't work in the JFK thread, and it doesn't work here either.
 
Robert Prey said:
I understand that lying is routine and common with any government -- especially a criminal government. But it takes a population of mindless sheep for them to get away with it.
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OMG. I so hope that Obama was born in Kenya. You cannot imagine how much I'd love to hear the president say "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for those pesky kids - Donny, Alex J., and "Shurf" Joe."

As for your post.

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Lastly, I want to just add a couple of sentences

I have a weird form of OCD

It is very important to me that every thread have the same number of sentences and ending punctuation marks

Our distinguished colleague from across the aisle seems intent on using a superfluity of ending punctuation marks

I will avoid them until this thread is brought into balance
 
JayUtah said:
No, Robert. Quote Nazis all you want, but you and the other Birthers are not the great saviors of democracy. You're just a bunch of conspiracy theorists with an axe to grind because your candidate lost, and you really don't know what you're talking about. That's about the size of it. Not everyone but you is a brainwashed sheep. That line of reasoning insult didn't work in the JFK thread, and it doesn't work here either.
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Nothing works for you but denigration of the messenger in order to avoid analysis of the message.
 
JayUtah said:
Link to the post where I answered your question. No really: do it.

I think it's cute how the only way you can pretend to make headway is to put words in your critics' mouths time after time. It's as if you're completely unable to discuss anything unless your opponent follows the script you've written for him.
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Correct. Your silence on this as well as other pertinent questions is deafening. But by your silence, you speak volumes.
 
JayUtah said:
Red herring.

Your case for forgery is laughable. And it has been literally laughed out of court after court.
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The subject is very much in the Court of Public Opinion. But the Obama people refused to appear in court. So much for the Courts.
 
Hans said:
So we're back to you thinking the government is criminal, eh Robert?

So again, if you believe this '100%' why are you not in armed revolt?

Either you don't believe what you are saying or you're a coward and to afraid to defense the constitution, so, .... which is it?
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Ah, ah, ah -- fallacy of the False Dilemma.
 
Robert Prey said:
The subject is very much in the Court of Public Opinion. But the Obama people refused to appear in court. So much for the Courts.
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I would also refuse to appear in court if someone accused me of being a Yeti. I'd fully expect that the lawyers I send in my place will get a judge to throw it out.
 
Robert Prey said:
The others had a documented past. Obama has no past -- all expunged from the record.
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Then it should be easy for you to link to those documents... You know, college transcripts, birth certificates, everything you want the black guy to show publicly.
 
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