Only a disinfo agent would say that no plane hit the Pentagon

[Voodoosix]

i dont get the flight path argument... im not a pilot, i did get to take over the stick in a private plane once for a few minutes and that is the extent of my flight experience. i saw that richard gage challenged people to try google earth's flight sim and try to hit these targets. even without 3D mapping once i got the gist of the controls i hit both wtc towers (the foot prints that is) and the pentagon on the 1st try. im failing to see the difficulty for someone who's had even minimal training.

wtc would be much easier irl and you just look for the 2 tallest building on the skyline, for the pentagon i looked for the city, then the river, then rriap, then the pentagon.

all this talk about trying to mimic the flight path exactly is bs, id have the same difficulty trying to follow my exact flight path and maneuvers i made if i tried to mimic myself.

 

[dafydd]

No, you are wrong as usual. you never disappoint.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0274.shtml





Which is amusing because one the difficulties of landing is controlling your speed because of, in part, the ground effect.

How many hours flying have you done? When did you get your pilot's license?

 

[NoahFence]

Even a student pilot with less than 5 hours of flight time would point their finger at you and laugh.

Actually, I hate flying and have only done so twice (as a passenger) and I still do that.

 

[beachnut]

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/steves-analysis.htm

Using the map in the Analysis by
Steve Koeppel and the Arlington Arts Center as a basic landmark it would appear the novice pilot completed a perfect 500 mph, 270 degree bank in time hit the Pentagon at an angle from about less than three miles out as the crow flies.

Arlington Arts Center VA to the Pentagon

oops

"Perfect 500 mph, 270 degree bank", makes no sense. Please stop, you are messing up flying as bad as you do the Holocaust.


The plane did not go 500 mph for more than 20 to 30 seconds after the turn.

Flight 77 did not do 270 degree bank! You have no idea what you are talking about!

...
hit the Pentagon at an angle from about less than three miles out as the crow flies. ...

What angle? Flight 77 lined up 6.2 miles out, you missed that fact too. You get your data from people who believe 77 hit the Pentagon, and you can't get the data right.

You keep presenting proof your claims are lies; why can't you understand flying?

 

[000063]

...

Which is amusing because one the difficulties of landing is controlling your speed because of, in part, the ground effect.

So let me get this straight; you literally quote the part that says it would be easy to hit the Pentagon, but landing properly would be harder, and you think this proves that it would have been hard to hit the Pentagon?

...

That's funny. Did the fdr wake up?

What happened to the beacon?

Oh, look, a bunch of incredulous questions from Clay after a quote he thinks supports him but he will refuse to elaborate on.

 

[frenat]

One more topic in which you are woefully uneducated Clayton.

In a "landing" the nose is up and the flaps are extended both of which greatly increase 'ground effect'.

Trimmed for cruise, nose level or even slightly nose down (which is what flight 77 was doing) and travelling at high speed, ground effect would be all but non-existant!

Perhaps you need to read a bit more (or anything at all) about the physics of ground effect.

All he'd have to do is go back to this post
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8538380&postcount=94
That I posted yesterday, but we know he won't.

 

[A W Smith]

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/steves-analysis.htm

Using the map in the Analysis by
Steve Koeppel and the Arlington Arts Center as a basic landmark it would appear the novice pilot completed a perfect 500 mph, 270 degree bank in time hit the Pentagon at an angle from about less than three miles out as the crow flies.




Arlington Arts Center VA to the Pentagon

Actually it wasn't a perfect 500 MPH bank at all, The 270 degree turn was anything but smooth. And the acceleration to 500 mph didn't occur until Hani Hanjour had the pentagon in his sight dead ahead. You are failing badly, Please continue LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApOrDSnsJVM&t=78m20s

 

[dafydd]

Clayton, wouldn't it be a good idea to actually learn something about this subject before you pontificate any further?

 

[dafydd]

To digress for a second Clayton, can you visit here and give us your opinion on the future of the truth movement?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8541828#post8541828

 

[George 152]

oops

"Perfect 500 mph, 270 degree bank", makes no sense. Please stop, you are messing up flying as bad as you do the Holocaust.


The plane did not go 500 mph for more than 20 to 30 seconds after the turn.

Flight 77 did not do 270 degree bank! You have no idea what you are talking about!

?

Don't you just love it when some-one who knows nothing about flying goes out of their way to prove it..
He's gotten mixed up with the 270 degree turn

And according to the 'Black Box' his flying was anything but accurate

 

[Dave Rogers]

Faked
Faked
Faked
Government plants
Faked
Planted
Lied
Lied

What's really funny about this is that it's vastly more coherent, relevant and comprehensible than the answer Clayton actually posted.

Dave

 

[Clayton Moore]

Could you explain why?

Because an inexperienced pilot would have over compensated and crashed.

 

[DGM]

Because an inexperienced pilot would have over compensated and crashed.

What, Like into the big building?

 

[cjnewson88]

Because an inexperienced pilot would may have over compensated and crashed.

Corrected. This is the mistake you make Clayton. You base all your argument on what 'would' or 'should' have happened, as if there was only ever a single possible outcome for anything that happens. In this situation, it is true that, had Hani, being inexperienced at the controls of a 757, over compensated, he could have hit the ground. However, the part you forget is that there is also the chance that Hani did not over compensate, and therefore did not hit the ground. You speak everything as if certain, when in reality, there is a chance of anything.

 

[twinstead]

Corrected. This is the mistake you make Clayton. You base all your argument on what 'would' or 'should' have happened, as if there was only ever a single possible outcome for anything that happens. In this situation, it is true that, had Hani, being inexperienced at the controls of a 757, over compensated, he could have hit the ground. However, the part you forget is that there is also the chance that Hani did not over compensate, and therefore did not hit the ground. You speak everything as if certain, when in reality, there is a chance of anything.

It's like debating a 9 year old.

 

[Dcdrac]

Mr Moore all the terrorists had to do was learn enough about flying to fly a plane into buildings, which they demonstrably managed to do.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Mr Moore all the terrorists had to do was learn enough about flying to fly a plane into buildings, which they demonstrably managed to do.

Really?


http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/steves-analysis.htm

That's one hell of a banked turn.

 

[Dcdrac]

Please provide all evidence of your Pilots licence, your qualificatiosn to judge flight dynamics.

Not jsut a link to a website.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Really?


http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/steves-analysis.htm

That's one hell of a banked turn.

That's also one hell of an inaccurate website, given that it's got the direction of approach and the direction of impact completely wrong. To be fair, the Reuters graphic is completely wrong too. As everybody capable of rational thought realises, there were a lot of early misconceptions, and subsequent study of the evidence has led to a much better understanding of the details of the event than were available to this one individual at the time he wrote this. But the one bit he gets right is:

Of course, this is all speculation, not facts.

Maybe you missed that bit, or didn't understand what it meant.

Dave

 

[dafydd]

Really?


http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_analysis/steves-analysis.htm

That's one hell of a banked turn.

How many banked turns have you performed during your long career as a pilot?