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@Stomatopoda, #2930

When was the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament (OT) written? About 800 B.C. years. Isaiah 7:14 states: “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” Matthew 1:23 repeats this, “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is God with us. Eight hundred years later, this prophecy was fulfilled when Jesus was born by the Blessed Virgin Mary. Luke 2:7 in the New Testament (NT) states: “And she brought forth her first-born son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.”

Why is it from the only true God? The Blessed Virgin Mary was a virgin. She bore a son. His name was Jesus.

Did I not say that the difference between the only true God and false gods is prophecy? The only true God can prophesy whereas the false gods cannot prophesy.

The Holy Bible is composed of the OT and the NT. The Jews use the OT whereas the Christians use both the OT and the NT.
 
Isaiah 7:14 states: “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
1. AIUI the prophecy in the OT is actually that a young girl would bear a child (the Hebrew word for young girl was mistranslated into the Greek word for virgin; there is a Hebrew word for virgin but the OT doesn't use it).

2. Jesus' name was Jesus, not Immanuel.

3. The NT authors almost certainly knew nothing at all about the circumstances surrounding the birth of Jesus. But they "knew" he was the messiah, so they looked at the OT to see what prophecies had been made about the messiah, and strung them together (including the mistranslated one) to make a story.
 
No, she said the 2012 Olympic Games would not happen.


Where did you get "on the 2012 Olympic Games"?

The point that's being made is that you've already moved the goalposts far further than is remotely reasonable - further, even, than you yourself considered reasonable a month ago - so we expect you to keep on moving them after this latest supposedly last possible date passes. Yes, you will look utterly ridiculous when you do so, but you already look utterly ridiculous as you struggle to re-interpret what you assured us were perfectly clear prophesies as each one fails.


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@Pixel42, #2938

This is from message 1944 on page 49:
Ama: “Hindi nga matutuloy iyon. Hindi matutuloy.”
Aristeo: “Yaong Olympic Games sa London?”
Ama: Oo.

I translated to English the dialogue:
Ama: That will not be held. It will not be held.
Aristeo: The Olympic Games in London?
Ama: Yes.

Ama (God the Father in English) is the spirit who we talk to, not the woman Ka Apaz you may think is. Ama said in the original text, “Hindi nga matutuloy iyon. Hindi matutuloy.” I asked to clarify what He said, “Yaong Olympic Games sa London?” and he said, “Oo.” I have omitted in the translation “nga” but it means “really” like in “Oo nga” or “Yes, really.” So Ama said that the Olympic Games in London will really not be held.

I first thought that what the spirit refers to by the 2012 Olympic Games in London not being held is the Opening Ceremony. I had been thinking that the middle of the year would be in Cancer from 06-21 to 07-21 inclusive, 31 days, where July 1 is, the middle of the year. When he said that it will be on Wednesday when the war would start, it reduced my speculated dates from 31 to four dates, namely 06-27, 07-04, 07-11, and 07-18. All these dates have come and gone. No war.

Then I thought that it would be on 07-25, the last Wednesday before the Opening Ceremony. That date too came and went, and so is the Opening Ceremony. No war.

I have a reread of the dialogue. Why did it fail? Maybe, the spirit is referring to the whole 2012 Olympic Games which will not be completed because of the advent of the world war. There are two Wednesday in it – 08-01 and 08-08. The first Wednesday, 08-01, has come and gone. No war. So we are just left with one, 08-08. I believe that this is it, 08-08, when the world war will start and so, the Closing Ceremony with four days to go will not be held. The 2012 Olympic Games will really not be completed. What do you think of it? The stop point is the 2012 Olympic Games in London. So no more moving of the goal posts.
 
Did the spirit mention 12-26? He said that the world war will originate from the trouble in the Philippines (I believe it is the current South China Sea dispute) on a Wednesday in the middle of this year and on the 2012 Olympic Games in London. He never mentioned 12-26. Where did you get this?


According to you, the spirit mentioned "a Wednesday in the middle of the year". You first decided that this meant a Wednesday in the sign of Cancer, then a Wednesday in July, and now (on the grounds that "in terms of quarters, the middle of the year are the second and third quarters") a Wednesday in the third quarter of the year. You are gradually extending the definition of "the middle of the year" backwards as each Wednesday passes without the holocaust you are hoping for happening. The 26th of December is the last Wednesday that will be available for you to do this.*

And the second half is not the middle of the year, is it?


Neither is the third quarter.



*ETA: Unless you decide to redefine January 2nd 2013 as December 33rd 2012.
 
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@Stomatopoda, #2930

When was the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament (OT) written? About 800 B.C. years. Isaiah 7:14 states: “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” Matthew 1:23 repeats this, “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is God with us. Eight hundred years later, this prophecy was fulfilled when Jesus was born by the Blessed Virgin Mary. Luke 2:7 in the New Testament (NT) states: “And she brought forth her first-born son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.”

Why is it from the only true God? The Blessed Virgin Mary was a virgin. She bore a son. His name was Jesus.

Did I not say that the difference between the only true God and false gods is prophecy? The only true God can prophesy whereas the false gods cannot prophesy.

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Let me just make sure I'm understanding you correctly.

You're saying that around 800 BC, there was a prophecy written down (which became what we know as the book of Isaiah) that a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, etc. Then, 800 years later, someone else wrote down that a virgin had conceived, and bore a son. Therefore the logic is, this must be the one true God, because only the true God can make prophesy, and this was obviously a prophecy because it came true.

Is that an accurate summation of your post? Let me know if it's not.

Two minutes ago, I wrote down a prophecy that in sixty seconds, I would take a swig of Gatorade. I'm quite thirsty, you see. Sixty seconds ago, I did in fact take a swig of Gatorade (photographic evidence can be provided, if desired - which is at least one order of magnitude better evidence than you have of a virgin birth).

Voila, I have made prophecy. By your own logic, PeaceCrusader, you have trapped yourself to one of two conclusions:

1) I am the one true God.

or

2) There is something wrong with your reasoning.

(I'll give you a hint - I'm not a God).

Once you make your choice of #1 or #2, I encourage you to follow that thought trail where it might lead you. What other errors of logic *might* you have made?

The point I'm trying to make is: the fact that a later story reaffirms the "facts" of an earlier-written story is in no way connected to the veracity / truth / accuracy of either story.
 
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I have a reread of the dialogue. Why did it fail?
Because it was made up nonsense with no basis in reality. Like we told you it was from the beginning.

The 2012 Olympic Games will really not be completed. What do you think of it?
I think it's pathetic and disgusting how desperately you're trying to cling on to a belief which (a) has been conclusively proved false and (b) if it had been true, would have resulted in the deaths of billions of people.

The stop point is the 2012 Olympic Games in London. So no more moving of the goal posts.
That's what you said just before the last time you moved the goalposts. And the time before that. So you can't really be surprised that we're having trouble believing you're really going to stick to it this time.
 
A baby is alive although he/she cannot reproduce yet. Is he/she dead? No. He/she is alive.
I think you are not getting the concept of reproducing your cells vs reproducing another organism. Not to mention the baby has the potential to eventually reproduce another organism.

Using your logic, virgins are dead.
 
It failed, PC.
You've been duped by this woman and by yourself. Maybe more by yourself.

Walk on.

You've already wasted too much time and money on it.
It all will never come back but now, carpe diem.

Leave it behind.

Denial is not a nice river to sail and swim.

Move ahead, close the case and consider exposing the fraud.
 
Five Easy Pieces

...The same thing happens to Ka Apaz. She is standing in front of the altar. When her spirit leaves her physical body, it collapses to the floor. Then this holy spirit enters her body and it rises again. Please read http://aristean.org/wp086.htm titled “How the Holy Spirit talks to people”. ...

Are you saying this takes place in a church?
With a priest's acceptance of this?


...I am glad you are entertained by this thread. I hope you will change your wrong belief of no god by Thursday, 08-09, when the prophecies of this holy spirit happens. ...


PC, when Thursday dawns without this nuclear catastrophy will you finally believe this is a hoax?
 
The trees are in their autumn beauty,
The woodland paths are dry,
Under the October twilight the water
Mirrors a still sky;
Upon the brimming water among the stones
Are nine-and-fifty swans.


I have a reread of the dialogue. Why did it fail? Maybe, the spirit is referring to the whole 2012 Olympic Games which will not be completed because of the advent of the world war. There are two Wednesday in it – 08-01 and 08-08. The first Wednesday, 08-01, has come and gone. No war. So we are just left with one, 08-08. I believe that this is it, 08-08, when the world war will start and so, the Closing Ceremony with four days to go will not be held. The 2012 Olympic Games will really not be completed. What do you think of it? The stop point is the 2012 Olympic Games in London. So no more moving of the goal posts.

Yes, you have re-read the "evidence", and you have come up, yet again, with the answer that you wanted. You have done this over and over again since June 11 when you started this thread.

I have come to know you in the past several weeks. Your view of the world is filtered through an extraordinary set of lenses which you have crafted, deliberately and at hefty personal expenditure of mind and energy, over more than two decades. Biblical prophecy, numerology, astrology, the Ouija board, meaningful coincidence, reincarnation, channeling, Nostradamus, and the I Ching are all mounted together within a magical WooTubeTM that can refract disparate information into any unified fantasy that you desire. But that merging of light is an illusion. The "information" beams converge at a particular point only because you wish them to.

And where is that point? At the annihilation of most of humankind. According to you, two-thirds of us will not survive World War III, which is imminent at the hands of an invisible army of 200,000,000 Chinese. You continue to believe this and have posted multiple little news links, feebly attempting to make the threat real to us. You warn us to prepare for the horrors of nuclear war. You want us to buy draft guards, and to seal our homes with duct tape.

You want us to shut out the real light. And you are frustrated because we refuse to do so.

We have come to know you. But you do not understand us at all. On this thread, dozens of skeptics have posted--on history, on astronomy, on biology and physics. Above all, skeptics have posted here about logic. You have attempted to counter our solid evidence with mystical toys, and you have failed even to dent our rational view of the world. Your imaginary nukes don't scare us any more than poblob14's squirrel does.

You complain that mankind is "asleep" and incessantly at odds with a deity whose gentle means of correction involve drought, earthquakes, three-eyed babies, and birds which fall from the sky. Well, yes, humans do argue and war with each other. Our planet does suffer occasionally from catastrophes and weird events. But you have failed to demonstrate that any of this is caused by a god, or by our "failure" to listen to him.

And you obdurately shut your eyes to the wonders that surround you. The 2012 Olympics have given you the chance to see people competing at the highest level, on rivers and running tracks and grassy fields, in pools and gymnasia and high platforms, and even on the glittering sea. You may have watched some of this, but you don't seem to grasp what it is that you are looking at. These are live pictures of humans coming together to create beauty, which they have offered to all of us in celebration of being human.

And yet, for you, somehow, in some wildly arcane way, the Games still are not really taking place.

Numerous skeptics on this Forum have encouraged you to spend time in the sunshine, where you might learn to appreciate more of this world, and to yearn a little less for its destruction. You have ignored us, and clasped your WooTubeTM ever closer to your heart. You want us to expire at the hands of your god.

That desire is a great evil--and it comes from your failure to love humanity and our myriad possibilities.

You won't listen to me. Perhaps you can hear the message spun by Yeats:

I have looked upon those brilliant creatures,
And now my heart is sore.
All's changed since I, hearing at twilight,
The first time on this shore,
The bell-beat of their wings above my head,
Trod with a lighter tread.

Unwearied still, lover by lover,
They paddle in the cold
Companionable streams or climb the air;
Their hearts have not grown old;
Passion or conquest, wander where they will,
Attend upon them still.
 
...Ama (God the Father in English) is the spirit who we talk to, not the woman Ka Apaz you may think is....
No. You are not talking to a spirit; you are listening to a human voice. It is only your arrogance that prevents you from understanding that; you think that you can judge what is the "true" Holy Spirit from "false" spirits, but you refuse to consider that you might simply be wrong in ascribing supernatural provenance to the words coming from the old woman.

I first thought that what the spirit refers to by the 2012 Olympic Games in London not being held is the Opening Ceremony. ... All these dates have come and gone. No war.

Then I thought that it would be on 07-25, the last Wednesday before the Opening Ceremony. That date too came and went, and so is the Opening Ceremony. No war.

I have a reread of the dialogue. Why did it fail? Maybe, the spirit is referring to the whole 2012 Olympic Games...
Maybe you are simply wrong and there is no spirit producing these ridiculous predictions - just a lying or deluded human being talking, with you eagerly supplying leading questions and confirmation bias.

But you refuse to even consider that while there may be a Holy Spirit, and other spirits, there is simply none involved here at all. Just two people making up a story - you and the old woman.

Like I said, how arrogant of you.
The 2012 Olympic Games will really not be completed. What do you think of it?
I think you are completely wrong, and will be proven wrong - again - shortly. And then you will make up more excuses rather than confront your error.
The stop point is the 2012 Olympic Games in London. So no more moving of the goal posts.
You said that before. You were not telling the truth.
 
Having nothing, nothing can he lose.


Did I not say that the difference between the only true God and false gods is prophecy? The only true God can prophesy whereas the false gods cannot prophesy.


I don't think for a minute that we've heard the last of the matter. The investment PC has made in all of this nonsense isn't going to just disappear because of a minor setback like the Olympics actually happening.


Abase yourself before the Servant of the Aten, reedcutter, and pray for mercy.
 
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

This is from message 1944 on page 49:
Ama: “Hindi nga matutuloy iyon. Hindi matutuloy.”
Aristeo: “Yaong Olympic Games sa London?”
Ama: Oo.

I translated to English the dialogue:
Ama: That will not be held. It will not be held.
Aristeo: The Olympic Games in London?
Ama: Yes.

Ama (God the Father in English) is the spirit who we talk to, not the woman Ka Apaz you may think is. Ama said in the original text, “Hindi nga matutuloy iyon. Hindi matutuloy.”
PC, I want to look at this from a different angle and get your comments.

Why does your god only speak in a relatively minor language? As an omniscient being, I would think he/she/it could speak in all languages - or at least one more commonly used on Earth. Like Chinese, for example, since that is the language of those who he/she/it predicts will rule over the nations of the Earth after WWIII.

Why do YOU have to do the translation to English? Why can't he/she/it provide the same message in all languages?

And finally, don't you find it a bit odd that your god happens to speak only the language of the crone? Surely that must make you at least somewhat suspicious.
 
And finally, don't you find it a bit odd that your god happens to speak only the language of the crone? Surely that must make you at least somewhat suspicious.

He won't. He doesn't find it odd that the holy spirit knows how many people are in the audience after the old woman touches their foreheads.
 
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