Moderated Will the 2012 Olympic Games in London be held?

[Drs_Res]

Three Days of the Condor

"I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."​

Three is such a mystical number. That's why I like it.



No.

Reminded me of this:

"Then shalt thou count to three,
no more, no less.
Three shall be the number thou shalt count,
and the number of the counting shall be three."​

Not like you didn't know where that line came from.

 

[blue sock monkey]

Three Days of the Condor

Reminded me of this:

"Then shalt thou count to three,
no more, no less.
Three shall be the number thou shalt count,
and the number of the counting shall be three."​

Not like you didn't know where that line came from.

Love that clip & quote! In fact, I sleep with The Book of Armaments and a Holy Hand Grenade under my pillow. Because you never know when 200,000,000 Chinese might be invading.

 

[SezMe]

I'd venture to say, bsm, that you can sleep well on Wednesdays.

 

[blue sock monkey]

Look thou meet me ere the first cock crow.

I'd venture to say, bsm, that you can sleep well on Wednesdays.

No, I'm doomed. Teh Holy Spook^TM will smite me for drawing stuff like this:

 

[AdMan]

No, I'm doomed. Teh Holy Spook^TM will smite me for drawing stuff like this:

[qimg]http://s3.amazonaws.com/stripgenerator/strip/76/60/76/00/00/full.png[/qimg]

I LOLed.

Enjoying this comedy thread.

 

[Quinn]

I'm so three thousand and eight, you so two thousand and late.

So we are just left with 08-08. 88. It is just like the number of Jesus, 888, without one of the eights.

Or like the drum machine. Hey, maybe the Black Eyed Peas' "Boom Boom Pow" song ("We got the beat, that 808") was really about the sounds of nuclear war!

Seriously PC, this level of desperation is downright ugly. Just admit (to yourself if not to us) that you've been wrong about a whole lot of stuff for a long time, like you pretended to a few pages ago, and get on with your life.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Well, I know this attempt at education will most likely be ignored, but I'll take a stab at this question, PeaceCrusader.

Some common characteristics of an organism that is alive (I assume you mean humans here, because of the use of the phrase "you who are alive):

1) Is contiguous and maintains homeostasis. It's hard to imagine an alive human who can't maintain a physical boundary to their body and has no control whatsoever over their temperature, pH level, oxygen saturation, etc.

2) Has a metabolism - needs to intake nutrients (or "burn" stored molecules) and produces useful energy for work.

3) Has at least the theoretical ability to reproduce, even though it may not be used in practice or may no longer be functional / may be damaged.

4) Can regrow certain cells / bodily structures and can recover from injury.

5) Can respond to stimuli within the range of human perception.

Not every human meets all 5 of the above, but I'd venture to guess that if you can't meet *any* of the 5, you're pretty much dead. That's my stab at it.

Let me guess - your explanation has something to do with having / not having a spirit / soul, right? While I personally believe that such ethereal constructs exist, the scientist in me can't doesn't allow that personal belief to enter the realm of science. Which is where the definition of "dead or not dead" firmly lies.

We could get into some interesting side-threads regarding fables of homunculi / golems / revenants / similar creatures that are alive but have no spirit / soul or dead but have a spirit / soul but I don't see anything productive coming out of that, because there's no scientific proof of a spirit / soul in the first place.

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@PiedPiper, #2897

Very well said, PiedPiper, of some common characteristics of a living person. But I disagree with you when you say that “if you can't meet *any* of the 5, you're pretty much dead.” A baby is alive although he/she cannot reproduce yet. Is he/she dead? No. He/she is alive.

A person’s limb is cut off and becomes an amputee. Is he/she alive or dead? Can he/she regrow an amputated limb?

Because you are an atheist, you do not believe in spirit. FYI, a person is alive because his/her spirit is still in his/her physical body while a person is dead because his/her spirit has left his/her physical body. Is this not logical?

The Holy Bible which is from the only true God says in Genesis 2:7, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” He breathed His spirit into the person that is why he/she became alive.

And in Ecclesiastes 12:7, “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” What happens when we die? The physical body which is soil or dust, and inanimate, shall return to the earth where it came from, and the spirit in his/her body shall return to God who gave it. The Holy Bible explains it, isn’t it? Do you call the Holy Bible a fairy tale?

The same thing happens to Ka Apaz. She is standing in front of the altar. When her spirit leaves her physical body, it collapses to the floor. Then this holy spirit enters her body and it rises again. Please read http://aristean.org/wp086.htm titled “How the Holy Spirit talks to people”.

A living person is hot while a dead person is cold. Why? Because the spirit is hot. The holy spirit we (plural) talk to blesses us when we say, “Mano po, Ama” (people’s greetings to the spirit not physically kissing his hand but by just saying it), replies: “May the Father be with you from me from the Father, may your hearts feel the heat and flame of the Holy Spirit, may your soul feel the grace of peace, may the Lord be with you.” Our response: “Thank you for being worthy.”

You see, the spirit says, “the heat and flame of the Holy Spirit”. As long as a person is alive, “the heat and flame of the Holy Spirit” is still in his/her physical body. The Holy Spirit is God that is why God knows everything that we say or do, and even think. When we pray, even without uttering any word from our mouths, God knows what we are praying for. He knows if we are sincere or not.

FYI, the Holy Bible was written by various people at various times at various places and languages. And yet, we find unity in it.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PeaceCrusader,

It's becoming difficult to take you seriously. I try to give every poster the benefit of the doubt, but so far you're not doing so well in the prediction department.

I'll be prepared this coming Wednesday to visit this forum, sipping a cup of coffee and petting my dog, like I normally do each morning. Then I'll log off and start in on my busy day, like most of us will.

What will you do, I wonder? Will you (yet again) apologize to the forum and swear to talk no more of prophecy? Will you simply disappear? Will you move the date to somewhere else? Will you spontaneously combust and never be heard from again? It's mysteries like this that keep me coming back to threads like this one.

Thanks for the entertainment,

PiedPiper

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@PiedPiper, #2898

You see, PiedPiper, even though I am able to talk to a holy spirit (it is not only me who can talk to him but there are many others), still I get wrong in my interpretation of his prophecies. How much more are my fellowmen who rely on their interpretation of the Holy Bible.

As I said, the main difference between the only true God and the false gods is prophecy. The only true God can prophesy whereas the false gods cannot prophesy. So if one will worship a god, be sure that he is the only true God and not a false god. Logical, isn’t it?

I am glad you are entertained by this thread. I hope you will change your wrong belief of no god by Thursday, 08-09, when the prophecies of this holy spirit happens.

The stop point is the 2012 Olympic Games. Please reread message 1944.

 

[Mojo]

Very well said, PiedPiper, of some common characteristics of a living person. But I disagree with you when you say that “if you can't meet *any* of the 5, you're pretty much dead.” A baby is alive although he/she cannot reproduce yet. Is he/she dead? No. He/she is alive.

You are attacking a strawman argument. PiedPiper didn't say that a person is not alive if they can't meet all of the 5, he said that they aren't alive if they can't meet any of them.

A person’s limb is cut off and becomes an amputee. Is he/she alive or dead? Can he/she regrow an amputated limb?

Well, there's certainly a distinct lack of discarded prosthetic limbs at Lourdes.

But PiedPiper didn't say that a characteristic of life is the ability to regrow any structure. You are again attacking a strawman argument.

 

[Stomatopoda]

Links 2 3 4

The Holy Bible which is from the only true God

Prove it.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Oh, C'mon! Now the goal posts have been moved to include HALF OF THE YEAR?

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@gabeygoat, #2906

Please reread message 1944. The stop point is the 2012 Olympic Games.

In terms of days, the middle of the year during a common or ordinary year is between July 1 and July 2. During a leap year like this year, it is July 1. The zodiac sign of Cancer includes these dates.

In terms of months, the middle of the year are the months of June and July. 07-25 is still in the middle of the year since it is in the month of July.

In terms of quarters, the middle of the year are the second and third quarters. 08-08 is in the third quarter.

 

[Mojo]

In terms of quarters, the middle of the year are the second and third quarters. 08-08 is in the third quarter.

When that one fails, you can move your goalposts to:

"In terms of half years, the middle of the year is the first or second half. 12-26 is in the second half."

 

[Paul]

But I disagree with you when you say that “if you can't meet *any* of the 5, you're pretty much dead.”

Really, what would you call a person that didn't meet any of the aforementioned criteria?

A baby is alive although he/she cannot reproduce yet. Is he/she dead? No. He/she is alive

There appears to be a fundamental problem with your basic comprehension here; failing to meet only one of the criteria does not imply failure to meet the others.

A person’s limb is cut off and becomes an amputee. Is he/she alive or dead?

Silly, silly PC.

Can he/she regrow an amputated limb?

Theoretically yes, interesting work being done on that.

Because you are an atheist, you do not believe in spirit.

Because there is no evidence at all for the existence of a spirit, I do not believe in spirit.

FYI, a person is alive because his/her spirit is still in his/her physical body while a person is dead because his/her spirit has left his/her physical body.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Is this not logical?

No, it is not logical.

The Holy Bible which is from the only true God...

There's your first mistake, assuming that your choice of holy book is the only correct one and that it comes directly from the one true god and that said deity is your particular flavour.

when we die? The physical body which is soil or dust, and inanimate, shall return to the earth where it came from

Except for when it returns to a jar or a microscope slide, or a freezer etc...

The Holy Bible explains it, isn’t it?

Isn't it, jumpers for goalposts...

Do you call the Holy Bible a fairy tale?

Personally, yes.

The same thing happens to Ka Apaz. She is standing in front of the altar. When her spirit leaves her physical body, it collapses to the floor. Then this holy spirit enters her body and it rises again.

OMG, quick someone put James Brown up for sainthood.

When we pray, even without uttering any word from our mouths, God knows what we are praying for. He knows if we are sincere or not.

Well that just makes your god look like a psychopath.

FYI, the Holy Bible was written by various people at various times at various places and languages. And yet, we find unity in it.

Except for all the places where we don't. You really shouldn't try making arguments from authority where there isn't even one coherent authority to argue from.

 

[Stomatopoda]

737 down over ABQ

A living person is hot while a dead person is cold. Why?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_respiration

 

[devnull]

Im calling poe on this one.

100%.

 

[Correa Neto]

Third Girl



I've never understood why the Holy Babble isn't required to carry a large disclaimer printed on its packaging: "For entertainment purposes only." But that's just me.

I believe PC has mentioned that Teh-Holy-Spook-in-the-Shape-of-A-Tedious-Old-Thespian does not accept donations from her followers. People have shelled out for travel, and wasted much time, but that's about it.

Let's suppose its true and she actually has not grabbed PC's money.

PC wasted money following the stuff she said (travels, tape, door stoppers).
PC made a fool of himself by followiing what she said.
PC wasted precious time of his life by beliving in what she said.
For all we know, he's isolated somewhere expecting armageddon. If he really believes, some psychological pressure is mounting. He must be quite stressed.

So, I think he has enough material to send her to court. Mediums, prophets, gurus, priests, pastors, etc. they all should be sued by their followers when their promisses and prophecies fail.
The damage more than their follower's bank accounts. They damage their lives.
Instead sitting down waiting for armageddon, PC could be enjoying his life. Its a shame. Its a crime to make people dump the short time they have.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

When that one fails, you can move your goalposts to:

"In terms of half years, the middle of the year is the first or second half. 12-26 is in the second half."

20120804.2300

@Mojo, #2932

Did the spirit mention 12-26? He said that the world war will originate from the trouble in the Philippines (I believe it is the current South China Sea dispute) on a Wednesday in the middle of this year and on the 2012 Olympic Games in London. He never mentioned 12-26. Where did you get this? And the second half is not the middle of the year, is it?

 

[Pixel42]

He said that the world war will originate from the trouble in the Philippines (I believe it is the current South China Sea dispute) on a Wednesday in the middle of this year and on the 2012 Olympic Games.

No, she said the 2012 Olympic Games would not happen.

He never mentioned 12-26. Where did you get this?

Where did you get "on the 2012 Olympic Games"?

The point that's being made is that you've already moved the goalposts far further than is remotely reasonable - further, even, than you yourself considered reasonable a month ago - so we expect you to keep on moving them after this latest supposedly last possible date passes. Yes, you will look utterly ridiculous when you do so, but you already look utterly ridiculous as you struggle to re-interpret what you assured us were perfectly clear prophesies as each one fails.

 

[PiedPiper]

Actually, PeaceCrusader - for the record - I'm not an atheist. I believe in God. I just don't believe you.

It can be difficult reconciling my faith and my training as a scientist. However, that's a trivial task compared to the mental reconciling / reconditioning you're going to have to undergo when the Olympics come to a close and WWIII hasn't started.

Every scientist knows they have to be skeptical and wary of things that others say, even of what their own eyes and ears are telling them, because the world is complex and there are many false trails and misinterpretations.

In many ways, faith in God is no different. No different. There are many traps and false trails. Are you telling me, PeaceCrusader, that you're 100% certain you're on the right path? How would you know? Do you know how many other believers - who have different beliefs, and even different deities than you - also claim that they're on the right path?

We must always question - our eyes, our ears, and our heart. I believe in God. I don't believe in a God that discourages me to ask questions. I would encourage you to ask yourself some pretty pointed questions, because the reasons you've given so far for your belief ("how else could someone fall down and then get back up? etc") don't hold water.

 

[dafydd]

20120804.2300

@Mojo, #2932

Did the spirit mention 12-26? He said that the world war will originate from the trouble in the Philippines (I believe it is the current South China Sea dispute) on a Wednesday in the middle of this year and on the 2012 Olympic Games in London. He never mentioned 12-26. Where did you get this? And the second half is not the middle of the year, is it?

May I remind you that your old blind mad woman said the the Olympic game would not take place? You might not have noticed this, but they are taking place. Fail. Now please stop.