Scientology abandoned by Hubbard's granddaughter & Miscavige's father

[hgc]

I suppose the only honest thing to do is to withhold judgement until then.

Withhold judgment until after spending $300K? That's terrible advice. It's not an issue of honesty, but rather, of common sense.

 

[Justinian2]

This isn't the 19th century.

No indeed. Now a schoolteacher that has sex with a 17 year old can lose her job for life and got to jail for years. On the other hand, a timeshare billionaire can high pressure sell the idea that spending $60,000 on one of his condos for a week in paradise is a good investment (if you know anything about timeshare resales you'll know that they are sub worthless as investments)

So, consensual sex with a 17 year old crime is a monumental crime in the world today and destroying a person with lies and bad financial investments is laudable.

Yesterday, people could have sex with 12 year olds and even marry them, but stealing a man's horse - a man's livelihood - would get a man hung. How this world has changed!

The public school system really informs us of these crimes.

I'm angry with anyone that doesn't verbally destroy traitorous government. However, I have to love my fellow man, as stupid as they are. I have noticed, however, that over the years man has started to realize that society is broken. Man seems less ignorant today. On the other hand, Vietnam protesters were smart.

 

[Jeff Corey]

I ran a search at scientology.org and couldn't find anything about "xenu."...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

 

[Justinian2]

Yeah, they don't tell you that story until you are already thoroughly brainwashed. Xenu is covered in OT-III. If you get that far you've been scammed into the six figures.

Your first mistake is with your understanding of brain washing.

Brainwashing is any form of mental conditioning under torture, starvation, sleep deprivation, or hypnosis to coerce captives either to make propaganda statements or to perform some other act not in keeping with one's loyalties or moral code.

The police are experts in brainwashing.

The effort of Scientology is to remove brainwashing. That's why they make sure a person is well rested, well fed, and under NO duress of any type during session.

The ignorant believe that education is brain washing. The public school system forces you to school and teaches you when you're tired, hungry and under duress so there are some elements of brainwashing done by government schools (public schools). Perhaps we have all been brainwashed into believing Christopher Columbus discovered America.

Let me rephrase the original thesis: "The ignorant believe that all education is brain washing." Education that removes confusion while a person is alert is not brainwashing. Education that states facts and gives sources is not brainwashing. Education that dispels logical fallacies is not brainwashing.

Scientology is clearly not brainwashing. Scientology removes brainwashing.

 

[hgc]

...Education that removes confusion...

Gibberish

Education that states facts and gives sources is not brainwashing.

Gives sources, as in the Xenu story, before reaching OT3? You are a bundle of contradictions.

 

[pakeha]

I've just read the thread and have seen a lot of things of interest.

One of my children became a medical doctor by following LRH study advice since age six.

Could you give a link to that study advice, please?

...Boy, bullbaiting is usefull in session. You don't know how many times I wanted to laugh at something the PC said. We are taught to smile when we should, but not to laugh if it would evaluate or invalidate.

This is something I can't really understand. Could you explain this-"You don't know how many times I wanted to laugh at something the PC said."

 

[Justinian2]

Yeah, they don't tell you that story until you are already thoroughly brainwashed. Xenu is covered in OT-III. If you get that far you've been scammed into the six figures.

Now that we know what brainwashing is, lets discuss the second part of your feeble attempt to brainwash. While what you say is true, you convey the implication that Xenu is important to the viability of Scientology. In actuality Santa Claus is more important to Capitalistic ideas in that we not only support capitalism during the holidays, but we associate capitalism with the birth of Christ and we associate Santa with the big, benevolent billionaire/capitalist. Oh, yeah, we associate the unimportant worker with the elves.

The Xenu story is about brainwashing, tyrants, geneticide, atomic war, war and evil. It is run as merely as an inkblot to restimulate an area that needs auditing. Dianetics doesn't run narrative items. This is a break from the normal routine, but Scientology uses every method to remove or reduce areas of pain, confusion, unwanted emotion, unwanted sensation and brainwashing.

 

[Justinian2]

Yeah, they don't tell you that story until you are already thoroughly brainwashed. Xenu is covered in OT-III. If you get that far you've been scammed into the six figures.

The third part of your brainwashing it that Scientology costs six figures. It does not. I spent less than the cost of a new car in going to OTVIII. Scientology insights have lasted my whole life. During the same period, many new cars have worn out and gone to the junk yard.

Fourthly, you're making Freezone Scientology = Miscavige Scientology = Hubbard Scientology. It seems that either you're very confused or you have a vested interested in brainwashing people against Scientology.

 

[DuvalHMFIC]

Dance monkey dance. Do you not see what I mean by canned answers? Scientology brainwashed you with all of these answers for criticisms of them? They've had 50 years to perfect it. They get you believing that everything other than Scientology is evil and out to get you. They spew crap about Santa Claus and capitalism...

And now your even touting marrying a 12 year old like that is okay just because people used to do it? We also used to let kids work in sweatshops 12-14 hours a day instead of going to school, and we had people that worked for free because of their skin color. Things change, progress is made. Do you know WHY a teacher gets in trouble for consensual sex with a 17 year old? It's not just the age, its the abuse of power. A teacher, being in the position of teaching, shouldn't be taking advantage of their students. That's why a college professor can get into trouble for the same thing, even if the student is 22 years old.

You seem to have a BIG hangup on women in general. You might need to fork some cash over and get some more auditing done. You have at least 10 posts that mention females.

 

[hgc]

We also used to let kids work in sweatshops 12-14 hours a day instead of going to school, and we had people that worked for free ...

You realize that these things are perfectly acceptable in Scientology, right? That's what LRH's Sea Org is all about.

 

[Justinian2]

I've just read the thread and have seen a lot of things of interest.


Could you give a link to that study advice, please?





This is something I can't really understand. Could you explain this-"You don't know how many times I wanted to laugh at something the PC said."

Scientology sells an illustrated study book for $5. http://www.volunteerministers.org/bookstore/study.html

1.) I can't find the original children's book on this subject. Perhaps they decided adults needed the book too.

2.) The PC at times describes events in his life like a scene from a Three Stooges skit. It's easy to laugh. Some failed sexual experiments are pretty funny too. Auditing is fun.

 

[tsig]

No indeed. Now a schoolteacher that has sex with a 17 year old can lose her job for life and got to jail for years. On the other hand, a timeshare billionaire can high pressure sell the idea that spending $60,000 on one of his condos for a week in paradise is a good investment (if you know anything about timeshare resales you'll know that they are sub worthless as investments)

So, consensual sex with a 17 year old crime is a monumental crime in the world today and destroying a person with lies and bad financial investments is laudable.

Yesterday, people could have sex with 12 year olds and even marry them, but stealing a man's horse - a man's livelihood - would get a man hung. How this world has changed!

The public school system really informs us of these crimes.

I'm angry with anyone that doesn't verbally destroy traitorous government. However, I have to love my fellow man, as stupid as they are. I have noticed, however, that over the years man has started to realize that society is broken. Man seems less ignorant today. On the other hand, Vietnam protesters were smart.

Why?

 

[pakeha]

Scientology sells an illustrated study book for $5. http://www.volunteerministers.org/bookstore/study.html

1.) I can't find the original children's book on this subject. Perhaps they decided adults needed the book too.

Hmm.
A red flag went up when you directed me to the Scientology bookshop, rather than Amazon, so I went to wiki and found these links:

http://www.studytechnology.org/
http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH1_2.HTM
http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH1_3.HTM

If you don't mind registering, there's a free on-line course, too:
http://www.scientology.org/courses/study/overview.html

Here are some reviews of that methodology:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100731...ch.org/1997/11/la_weeklythe_learning_cure.php
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/StudyTech/

Study Tech is founded on three principles: (1) use pictures and
diagrams to illustrate the concepts being taught, (2) break down
complex concepts so they can be mastered in a series of simple steps,
and (3) always seek definitions for unfamiliar terms. These rules
make sense and are harmless enough when phrased in plain English. But
the Study Tech books present them in a different manner. The three
principles are called "mass", "gradients", and "misunderstoods":
special terms that are loaded with significance in the Scientology
religion. And these concepts are presented in a doctrinaire manner
that is also characteristic of Scientology religious instruction.
Study Tech actually helps lay the groundwork for introducing
Scientology into the schools. ...

2.) The PC at times describes events in his life like a scene from a Three Stooges skit. It's easy to laugh. Some failed sexual experiments are pretty funny too. Auditing is fun.

What's a PC?

edited to add:
Never mind, Wiki came to the rescue!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditing_Scientology^WP

 

[tsig]

Your first mistake is with your understanding of brain washing.



The police are experts in brainwashing.

The effort of Scientology is to remove brainwashing. That's why they make sure a person is well rested, well fed, and under NO duress of any type during session

The ignorant believe that education is brain washing. The public school system forces you to school and teaches you when you're tired, hungry and under duress so there are some elements of brainwashing done by government schools (public schools). Perhaps we have all been brainwashed into believing Christopher Columbus discovered America.

Let me rephrase the original thesis: "The ignorant believe that all education is brain washing." Education that removes confusion while a person is alert is not brainwashing. Education that states facts and gives sources is not brainwashing. Education that dispels logical fallacies is not brainwashing.

Scientology is clearly not brainwashing. Scientology removes brainwashing.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us-08.html

 

[Justinian2]

Why?

Without my fellow man, I wouldn't be here.
Without my fellow man, my children's children won't be here.

Besides, they're fun to audit because they're crazy and all different.

 

[Justinian2]

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us-08.html

Have you ever worked on a military project?

TLA stands for Three Letter Acronym. The military makes Scientology seem acronym free. It takes me about three months to learn the acronyms on a new military project.

How about the language of psychiatry?

How about doctoral theses?

Are they cults? You bet they are. The military is the primary example of a cult. So are police forces. So is the medical community. Scientology is a cult also.

Freezone Scientology is NOT a cult. We don't talk or live together, for one thing. We revert to calling ARC breaks upsets when we leave Scientology training/auditing. Freezone Scientology is an anti cult. By definition, all of earth's societies are more of a cult than Freezone Scientology. Earth is a cult.

 

[Justinian2]

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us-08.html

Link to the following quote: http://wisesloth.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/the-military-is-a-cult/

A cult is a group or movement exhibiting a great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing and employing unethically manipulative techniques of persuasion and control (e.g., isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgment, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it, etc.) designed to advance the goals of the group’s leaders to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community.”

I’m going to go through the characteristics of a cult and break down how they apply to military. You’ll see by the end of this post that the similarities are too blatant to be explained by mere coincidence. The more you understand the design of a cult the more obvious it becomes that the military system was painstakingly designed around the cult model.

 

[pakeha]

In the Freezone, do you use E-Meters?

 

[Justinian2]

In the Freezone, do you use E-Meters?

Yes. The Freezone uses the stuff that LRH used. We use the original stuff. The Church of Miscavige uses the recent stuff that still is protected by copyright.

Copyrights don't last forever.

The Freezone has developed several types of new Emeters. The Freezone also uses, but doesn't sell, the Church of Miscavige E meters.

 

[Twiler]

No indeed. Now a schoolteacher that has sex with a 17 year old can lose her job for life and got to jail for years. On the other hand, a timeshare billionaire can high pressure sell the idea that spending $60,000 on one of his condos for a week in paradise is a good investment (if you know anything about timeshare resales you'll know that they are sub worthless as investments)

So, consensual sex with a 17 year old crime is a monumental crime in the world today and destroying a person with lies and bad financial investments is laudable.

Yesterday, people could have sex with 12 year olds and even marry them, but stealing a man's horse - a man's livelihood - would get a man hung. How this world has changed!

The public school system really informs us of these crimes.

I'm angry with anyone that doesn't verbally destroy traitorous government. However, I have to love my fellow man, as stupid as they are. I have noticed, however, that over the years man has started to realize that society is broken. Man seems less ignorant today. On the other hand, Vietnam protesters were smart.

So, did you lose money in a timeshare scheme?