Heard any good rape jokes lately?

[fuelair]

It would be funny if Tosh told a rape joke and immediately afterwards he was raped on the stage by, like, five guys.

I think anything that's funny is OK but when things are unfunny like Tosh's 'joke' it just makes me hate the person who says it. I still like the oldy - "Nine out of ten people enjoy gang rape."

Thought the same thing (your first para). Not fond of rape jokes, though am of the little body twitches as SMG bullets tear rapist/s apart. Shotguns's cool too.

 

[Mehdimentio]

Comedy would become very dull if you weren't allowed to joke about things that are considered offensive.

 

[Ryokan]

Thought the same thing (your first para). Not fond of rape jokes, though am of the little body twitches as SMG bullets tear rapist/s apart. Shotguns's cool too.

So murder is cool, rape is not. Glad we cleared that one up.

 

[mijopaalmc]

Comedy would become very dull if you weren't allowed to joke about things that are considered offensive.

Then you shouldn't pretend that you don't understand why people are offended by your joke.

 

[RandFan]

Then you shouldn't pretend that you don't understand why people are offended by your joke.

Absolutely. Having grown up on Carlin, Bruce, Cheech and Chong, etc. I understand that comedians innately get this. There is no question that edgy comedians will offend. If they don't then they are not doing their jobs. Now, the point isn't to offend, the point is to find that line and question it. Let's remember among the long list of subjects that are considered offensive and therefore taboo are jokes that disparage god and conventional marriage. Oh, and telling jokes about priests raping children is going to offend also. Or as Hitchens so famously put it, The official dogma of the Catholic Church.

 

[Mehdimentio]

Then you shouldn't pretend that you don't understand why people are offended by your joke.

Sure, but it's good to consider whether our taking offense matters or not. People have a habit of taking themselves too seriously quite often.

 

[fuelair]

So murder is cool, rape is not. Glad we cleared that one up.

I make no apologies for the killing of certain groups of evil "persons". Mass murderers, rapists, violent (against real people, not against each other) gang members................. YMCV

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

I make no apologies for the killing of certain groups of evil "persons". Mass murderers, rapists, violent (against real people, not against each other) gang members................. YMCV

Can't you just make a new thread for your off-topic, pornographically violent fantasies? That way if someone else gets off on them they won't have to search through dozens of different threads to find them all, and the rest of us can have threads without them.


On topic, I don't mind the one that goes "Officer, I've been graped!". ("Don't you mean raped ma'am?" "No officer, there were a bunch of them!").

 

[treble_head]

I've been redirected here. I will po,,st exactly what I said on facebook. I only fleetingly did stand up comedy, but this is near and dear to my heart..

I don't even like Daniel Tosh, but I feel the need to defend him. He made a misguided statement toward a heckler. HE is not a rapist. He is almost certainly not pro-rape. Louis CK makes rape jokes. Aziz Ansari makes rape jokes. Sarah Silverman makes rape jokes. I have and will probably make them in the future. Why? Because tragedy is comedy, and without things that suck, there's nothing to laugh about. I lived, for a time, as a homeless alcoholic. that's about as tragic as you get, and I tell jokes about it all the time. If you could tell me a yo mama's so dead joke, I'd laugh my ass off. the point I'm trying to make, is that daniel tosh made an unfortunate statement, but to villainize him is irresponsible. As Dr. Drew has said, "Know who your friends are." Pick them up, correct them, educate them, but don't villainize them. if you want to be offended by something, just remember that Hogan's Heroes was a sitcom about NAZI PRISON CAMPS. and it was nominated 3 times for emmy awards.

 

[treble_head]

and if we're talking about offensive material, the joke that went over better than any other joke I've told, was when I was talking about losing weight, and then I was working out, both of which are true. I said, " sometimes I still feel like I have the body of a teenager, but then I remember I buried that slut, like, a week ago." that joke got me so many laughs, but it also got me a lot of people who wanted me dead.

 

[IMST]

So it's not absurd to think that the woman would actually be raped by 5 people in the middle of a comedy club during his set?

In the club yes. After, less so.

 

[jimtron]

... I didnt appreciate Daniel Tosh (or anyone!) telling me I should find them funny. So I yelled out, “Actually, rape jokes are never funny!”

I did it because, even though being “disruptive” is against my nature, I felt that sitting there and saying nothing, or leaving quietly, would have been against my values as a person and as a woman. I don’t sit there while someone tells me how I should feel about omething as profound and damaging as rape.

I feel that comedians should say whatever they want, and so should critics/audience members/etc. One thing that really bothers me is Tosh telling someone they should find his rape jokes funny. Everyone should have a right to free speech, and everyone has a right to be offended by anything.

Everyone is offended by something, and it's not for another person to decide what I should or should not find offensive.

 

[jimtron]

I've been redirected here. I will po,,st exactly what I said on facebook. I only fleetingly did stand up comedy, but this is near and dear to my heart..

I don't even like Daniel Tosh, but I feel the need to defend him. He made a misguided statement toward a heckler. HE is not a rapist. He is almost certainly not pro-rape. Louis CK makes rape jokes. Aziz Ansari makes rape jokes. Sarah Silverman makes rape jokes. I have and will probably make them in the future. Why? Because tragedy is comedy, and without things that suck, there's nothing to laugh about. I lived, for a time, as a homeless alcoholic. that's about as tragic as you get, and I tell jokes about it all the time. If you could tell me a yo mama's so dead joke, I'd laugh my ass off. the point I'm trying to make, is that daniel tosh made an unfortunate statement, but to villainize him is irresponsible. As Dr. Drew has said, "Know who your friends are." Pick them up, correct them, educate them, but don't villainize them. if you want to be offended by something, just remember that Hogan's Heroes was a sitcom about NAZI PRISON CAMPS. and it was nominated 3 times for emmy awards.

I agree that rape jokes can be funny (Sarah Silverman's punch line in "The Aristocrats" comes to mind). But I also completely understand anyone being highly offended. Words don't have magic powers, but they can dredge up very real, very painful memories of trauma.

I don't think Hogan's Heroes is the best example because it was such a lightweight, cartoony show (I don't recall seeing anyone physically hurt or killed). But what about making a Holocaust "joke" to someone who lost their spouse or parents to the Nazis--should they just accept that tragedy can be funny, or would it be acceptable for them to be furious?

My point is that art and comedy are completely subjective, and the same goes for what's offensive. Michael Richards has a right to make a lynchung joke, and Jerry Seinfeld (and millions of others) have a right to call it deplorable.

 

[Ziggurat]

Sure it would! The Mongol hordes would have to go through Sweden six times! Totally worth it!

I guess that still works, but it doesn't have the same poignancy that comes with Russia and Poland's blood-soaked history.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Thinking about it more, I think there is a gap between those who think there is a moral element, and those who don't. There are things we don't like, but don't begrudge others. I don't like threesomes. Even in fiction, they just don't appeal. But I don't care what other people do. I don't like threesomes involving children. Now I certainly do care. This is basically the idea behind the non-cognitivist meta-ethics of Prescriptivism.

Now, with this in mind, those who say "just ignore it" or "it's just comedy" or "don't silence me with the PC Police" are missing the point. A basic feature of morality is to interfere with your behaviour and to mind other people's business. It would be more prudent to take on the arguments about why rape jokes are supposedly wrong.

Now, people seem to endorse the view that comedy qua comedy or speech qua speech is immune for moral considerations. This is just silly. If a kid is bullying by making really funny fat jokes at another kid, will you claim that there is no moral wrong? Kid B is choosing to be hurt? Not comparing this to Tosh, but I want to show that we do consider speech to be well within the moral realm.

Now, I don't think all jokes involving rape endorse rape culture, or that all jokes about obesity are humiliating fat people, or jokes about <insert any minority> is reinforcing hateful and belittling stereotypes. But these situations do occur and I think it is perfectly legitimate to criticise them.

I'm pretty old-school when it comes to comedy. I really don't believe anything is off limits. If you don't like it, don't listen/watch. This woman could have left instead of interrupting his show if she didn't like it.

PC sucks. Words only hurt if you let them. The whole "stick and stone" analogy. I'll never understand people getting all up in arms about words.

I've heard this many times, and I still can't imagine a scenario in which it is true.

 

[fleabeetle]

Sure it would! The Mongol hordes would have to go through Sweden six times! Totally worth it!

I guess that still works, but it doesn't have the same poignancy that comes with Russia and Poland's blood-soaked history.

All somewhat off-topic; but when I heard that joke, it was in a Cold War context involving Czechoslovakia, the USSR, and China. (A Czech fishing in the River Vltava in Prague catches a magic fish, who gives him three wishes...)

 

[sarge]

You are right about that at least. They are not synonymous. Offense is an involuntary emotion while an opinion is a conclusion. The fact that you think she is not entitled to her involuntary responses probably more disturbing than the idea she isn't entitled to her opinion.

If you are that easily disturbed, then perhaps a discussion board is no more appropriate a place for your delicate sensitivities than an adult comedy show is for the lady that disrupted the show.

She paid money to attend a show where it is expected that off-color, controversial issues will be made light of - and then disrupts the event because the performer did exactly what was expected of him. She is the villain in this story, and she deserves nothing more than the derision she got.

For the first time in my life I think a comparison to 1984 is appropriate. Wishing to control people's involuntary thought is akin to Newspeak...or the 10 commandments.

Good grief.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. I disapprove of what you feel, and I will assault to the death your right to feel it."

---Sarge[/QUOTE]

Ah - a false quote AND a strawman. Do you feel entitled to lie, so long as your angst is sincere?

 

[Travis]

Nope. If you think that's true, you're not paying attention to what happened.

Tosh made a joke. He thought it was funny and edgy; someone in the audience didn't. She said so. So far, this is nothing unusual. It is all part of a normal, everyday routine that any stand-up comic is familiar with.

Hecklers and audience comments are a standard part of stand-up comedy. If you want to see someone who knows how to deal with hecklers in the audience, watch George Carlin's videos some time. The man was a master at it.

Tosh, on the other hand, not so much.

He dealt with her by suggesting that she be gang-raped on the spot. That's bad comedy, and it's stupid, and more to the point, the audience isn't likely to find it funny.

Heckling happens. He thinks of himself as a comic who makes edgy jokes. He should and probably is accustomed to being heckled for it. That's just an ordinary day in the life of a stand-up comic.

I would have found it hilarious and if I had encountered the woman after the show I would have made sure she knew it. She heckled him. She is therefore scum worthy of scorn, derision and a lifetime of emotional torment if at all possible.

I can't stand hecklers. I have threatened many after a show because they are truly a class of people that I would be entirely cool with the government just summarily executing them. But not quickly with a bullet to the head because that is too good for them. No they get some horrible drawn out death like scaphism......Google it.

 

[Careyp74]

Has anyone come across any audio or video of the event? I find it hard to believe that no one has posted anything yet. Last time I went to a comedy club, there were at least five cell phones being used to record, and that was for Patrice O'Neil (RIP) who isn't as big as Tosh and Cook.

With the club owner giving a different account, and Tosh saying that he was misquoted, I would like to hear what actually happened, and not base my judgement on what the woman, who was quite angry at the time, believes she remembers.

 

[Kahalachan]

Twelve Norwegians are about to rape a German girl.

She screams, "Nein! Nein!"

So three of the Norwegians leave.

Hah hah that's awesome.


As for Daniel Tosh's joke I'll wait for evidence. That guy from Seinfeld's racist joke was available to watch. This should show up. If not, I call BS. Not one person was recording a famous comedian's stand up routine? Yeah right.