Moderated Will the 2012 Olympic Games in London be held?

[Agatha]

Seventeen, and not yet a woman

As Peace Crusader has returned to bringing up Alex Chiu's false translations, I'm quoting myself to show that the verse 56 doesn't say what Alex Chiu claims it says.

I'm Henry The Eighth I am.

I don't speak or read any Chinese languages, and other than Alex Chiu, there seems to be no easily accessible English translation of Lee's verses. However, I did find a translation of riddle 56, the one referenced by Peace Crusader.

"Flying but they are not birds,
submerged underwater but they are not fish,
A war is going on but there is no soldier,
what a game of creation."

Alex Chiu translates it as:

"Flyers are not birds, swimmers are not fish,
A war does not depend on soldiers. It's a game of technology.
Millions of miles of deadly smoke, on top a mushroom and at bottom a fountain.
A sight out of people's imagination. Big trouble not solved, but greater trouble arrives."

Wiki led me to a page where Lee's prophecy was written out (although I'm bearing in mind Foolmewunz's warning about the words being rewritten over the centuries) and google translate brings this:

"Fly to non-bird potential non-fish
War are not soldiers fortune game

Chung said:
Territorial seas thousands of miles to make clouds
On until the sky under and Springs
Golden Mother of the wood public work magic to get
Arms missed disaster groaning"

Which is considerably different from Alex Chiu's translation. Nothing about mushrooms or technology.

I'm not convinced by these prophecies or the Holy Spirit, to be honest.

Further, the word 'technology' was first noted in the early 17th century but at that time meant a treatise or discourse on grammar, or other art or craft. The current meaning was first noted in 1859. A 7th century poet/prophet would not have used the word. Chiu's translation is flat out false, and verse 56 does not support this prophecy, no matter how you twist it.

 

[Stomatopoda]

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@Pixel42, #1670

The prophecies that the 2012 Olympic Games will not be held because of a nuclear war occurring on a Wednesday in the middle of the year (06-27, 07-04, 07-11, 07-18) were revealed by the Holy Spirit Himself when I went to the Philippines two months ago (2012-05), primarily to inquire when the war would occur. The prophecies were not mine. They are the Holy Spirit’s. I only echoed them to you FYI.

Repeating this over and over and over and over will not make it true. You seem to be under the impression that we didn't read it the first dozen times you wrote it.

People keep asking you why you believe something, and you just repeat your belief over and over and over and over. Serious question: do you understand the meaning of the English word "why"?

"Why do you believe this?"
"Because the Holy Spirit said it"
"Why do you believe she/he/it is the holy spirit?"
"Because the Holy Spirit said so"
"Why do you believe this?
"Because it was said by the Holy Spirit!"

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Are you suggesting that the unemployed are immune to death by nuclear weapon? Are you further suggesting that the ratio of unemployed women to unemployed men is near 10:1?

That's excellent news, if I heard the 'four minute warning' (figure of speach-I know it wouldn't be four minutes now) while at work I can guarentee that I'll have done something warrenting instant dismissal before the bombs arrive!

 

[Ocelot]

That's excellent news, if I heard the 'four minute warning' (figure of speach-I know it wouldn't be four minutes now) while at work I can guarentee that I'll have done something warrenting instant dismissal before the bombs arrive!

There's no place like 127.0.0.1

What? Light a cigarette in the office?

 

[Pixel42]

The prophecies that the 2012 Olympic Games will not be held because of a nuclear war occurring on a Wednesday in the middle of the year (06-27, 07-04, 07-11, 07-18) were revealed by the Holy Spirit Himself

No, they were asserted by some woman who you have somehow managed to convince yourself is speaking with the voice of the Holy Spirit despite there being no evidence that this is the case and good reason (e.g. her total ignorance of the effects of nuclear war) to believe that it is not. In a few more days there will be conclusive proof that it is not the case.

 

[The Don]

29 May 1935.......

I'm happy to announce that as of this morning, all the food in my fridge is good until the end of civilisation as we know it.

Do I need to duct-tape my fridge to make sure that the milk doesn't get irradiated.

 

[Astreja]

The only true God has been waking us up but we do not awaken.

Then wake up and listen to Me, PC! You've been had, and repeating dribble about phony prophesies from people pretending to be the voice of the Holy Spirit will not make truth out of a lie.

He has been sending us floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, drought, unusually wet summer like in London now, bushfires, lightning, diseases like AIDS, unnatural phenomena like babies born weighing like a six-month-old child, two-headed animals and humans, etc. And we still do not attribute these to God.

In My opinion, real gods don't bother to send flood, hurricanes, diseases, genetic mutations or other worrisome things. They don't need to, because the physical world is more than capable of producing "unnatural" natural things. All these tales of death and destruction in scripture are just woo-woo scare tactics.

We do not change to become better individuals.

PC, it's insufferably rude to accuse other individuals of not trying to better themselves. Stop it, please.

 

[Marcus]

PC, are you planning to visit the Philippines sometime after the Olympics? I am a bit curious to see how Ka Apaz will handle this. Will she simply become unavailable to anyone wishing to see her? Or will she get creative, either telling a story herself, or getting "possessed" and allowing the "spirit" to spin a tale?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

That's hugely unlikely. There would be no need to conserve nuclear weapons at all. As for Russia not getting involved, do you know how nukes work? The huge amount of fallout would spread from China to Russia. They would launch at the US right away.

ETA: If for some reason they didn't and China were the only nuclear power to attack the US, for one thing the US nuclear stockpiles hugely outnumber the Chinese ones. IF China were the only attacker, the US would be severely hurt but would probably survive. On the other hand, with the UK and France weighing in on China in support of the US (which they both would) China would be utterly devastated.

Yoo hoo, PC? Any chance of a response? You clearly aren't a student of strategic studies, but you're the one making the claims here, so answer people when they tear them apart.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

It will not be God who will kill people.

You've run headlong into the problem of evil.

You have already said that your "one true God" is omniscient and omnipotent. If he is omniscient, he knows everything that will happen (sort of a prerequisite belief to belief in prophecy, btw). If he is omnipotent, nothing happens unless he wills it.

So if global nuclear war that wipes out 1/3 of the population happens, then it happens because God wills it.

In fact, a beneficent God who is omniscient and omnipotent is incompatible with the existence of evil. (And by evil, I'm using the slightly archaic usage, not the one that means things like devils, sins and such, which are but a subset of evil. You might think of the term as merely referring to the existence of suffering--natural disaster, man-made disaster, the mere condition of mortality that guarantees suffering. . . .)

And back to your analogy of a father chastising a child: the analogy doesn't work because if a human father didn't have to do such a thing--that is, if he were omnipotent and could cause the child to have a life free of all suffering--there is no reason to think he'd do it.

And that's without the legitimate challenge that massive slaughter is not at all like chastisement. None of the people killed could possibly learn from their experience!

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Why do you think that the prophecies will not happen? They did not come from me. They were revealed by the Holy Spirit two months ago (2012-05).

No, they were "revealed" by an old, blind woman. Any claims about their source being from beyond the physical realm is the result of pure imagination.

The only true God has been waking us up but we do not awaken. He has been sending us floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, drought, unusually wet summer like in London now, bushfires, lightning, diseases like AIDS, unnatural phenomena like babies born weighing like a six-month-old child, two-headed animals and humans, etc.

That sounds like terrorism...

And we still do not attribute these to God.

Why would we? Your god doesn't take credit for any of them. There's no face in the sky, or voice in everyone's head, stating, "Get your act together, or I'll send more death and destruction. Love, God." Why, then, would any reasonable person attribute any of those things to a supernatural entity?

Are you suggesting that none of the things you listed above are possible without divine intervention?

We do not change to become better individuals.

Is it impossible to become a better person without worshiping some infantile fantasy?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

And back to your analogy of a father chastising a child: the analogy doesn't work because if a human father didn't have to do such a thing--that is, if he were omnipotent and could cause the child to have a life free of all suffering--there is no reason to think he'd do it.

And that's without the legitimate challenge that massive slaughter is not at all like chastisement. None of the people killed could possibly learn from their experience!

It's also a bad move because it suggests that God lacks consideration for us as individuals. When God supposedly punishes us with a devastating hurricane, he's potentially killing innocent individuals to send a message to all of humanity.

What could that message possibly be? I can't help but see it as, "Even if you are faithful, you may still suffer or die for the faithlessness of others."

That's a pretty crappy deal.

 

[Paul]

The only true God has been waking us up ...

Flee for your lives for the lord has sent forth an unusually wet summer.

 

[Explorer]

Flee for your lives for the lord has sent forth an unusually wet summer.

...and he has also sent forth a plague of slugs that hath eaten the fruits of my garden. A miracle hath occurred too. My sweet peas hath bent over double in homage to the wrath of the lord.

 

[George 152]

This Tui_bei_tu^WP, am I correct?

Since when does the Holy Spirit use pagan sources to buttress prophecies?

Sounds like a Tui to me

 

[George 152]

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The only true God has been waking us up but we do not awaken. He has been sending us floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis, drought, unusually wet summer like in London now, bushfires, lightning, diseases like AIDS, unnatural phenomena like babies born weighing like a six-month-old child, two-headed animals and humans, etc. And we still do not attribute these to God. We do not even regard Him. We do not change to become better individuals. Now, it will be man himself who will kill a lot of his fellowmen with what he made – weapons of mass destruction.

So this god of yours stuffed up on DNA and now plays with warm and cold air masses to impress the gullible.

10 days before you run away and its Wednesday tomorrow.
Still no sign of the 200,000,000 Chinese... We should arrange a search party

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Seventeen, and not yet a woman

As Peace Crusader has returned to bringing up Alex Chiu's false translations, I'm quoting myself to show that the verse 56 doesn't say what Alex Chiu claims it says.



Further, the word 'technology' was first noted in the early 17th century but at that time meant a treatise or discourse on grammar, or other art or craft. The current meaning was first noted in 1859. A 7th century poet/prophet would not have used the word. Chiu's translation is flat out false, and verse 56 does not support this prophecy, no matter how you twist it.

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@Agatha, #1681

The Chinese characters of the 56th poem of Tui Bei Tu is found at http://resource.cozycenter.com/?p=541 . I think the Chinese characters there are the words of the poem.

It is accompanied by a drawing showing two soldiers with their hand-held weapons pointing downward and fire coming out of their mouths. There are two birds flying above and two fish jumping out of the water. Could you please give your interpretation of the poem and the picture?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

So this god of yours stuffed up on DNA and now plays with warm and cold air masses to impress the gullible.

10 days before you run away and its Wednesday tomorrow.
Still no sign of the 200,000,000 Chinese... We should arrange a search party

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@George152, #1696

Have you not read my response? I will not run away from any of you.

Yes, tomorrow is Wednesday, 2012-07-18. I firmly believe that World War III will begin at Spratly Islands on a Wednesday and the 2012 Olympic Games will not be held because of this war. Please read what is happening at the South China Sea now.

Please give your interpretation of the 56th prophecy in Tui Bei Tu. Do not act as if blind (“magbulag-bulagan”) or deaf (“magbingi-bingihan”) or crazy (“magbaliw-baliwan”).

 

[Explorer]

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@George152, #1696


Yes, tomorrow is Wednesday, 2012-07-18. I firmly believe that World War III will begin at Spratly Islands on a Wednesday and the 2012 Olympic Games will not be held because of this war. Please read what is happening at the South China Sea now.

No, tomorrow is actually Tuesday, in the UK, unless your Holy Spirit has prophecised that Tuesday this week, ain't gonna happen.

The Olympic athletes from all over the world have been arriving in London today for the great event soon to take place in eleven days time, or is that ten days without tomorrow. That is the problem with global predictions, the date line creates all sorts of difficulties for prophecies, particularly those that specify a certain day. In future, be less specific, it tends to be less embarrasing.

As far as the South China Sea, China is playing a long game. The latest news and informed opinion posted one hour ago said this:

"But the Chinese strategy is not without risks. Absent a diplomatic solution, China can only expect confrontations with the Philippines and Vietnam over fishing and natural resource exploration to continue and escalate. In the worst-case scenario, accidents could turn into naval skirmishes."

Confrontations expected perhaps, but naval skirmishes do not add up to a full scale nuclear war.

 

[wollery]

飞者非鸟，fei zhe fei niao，
潜者非鱼，qian zhe fei yu，
战不在兵，zhan bu zai bing，
造化游戏。 zao hua you xi.

There are various ways to translate it, but the punctuation specifically rules out any mention of weapons in the first two parts. My translation would be;

Those flying are not birds,
Those diving are not fish,
War is not soldiers,
Good luck for the games.

Sounds like a prediction of the London Olympics going ahead - loads of people flying in to the UK to watch the games, swimmers and divers, competition without soldiers, and a wish for good luck.

Another way to translate it would be;
Those flying must be birds,
Those diving must be fish,
Combat is not in weapons,
Nature's games.

Interpret that how you will, but nuclear war doesn't seem to come close.