Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[This is The End]

Does that make it less true or something ?

No, but it should put it in the correct light.

Quote please.

I assumed GWCarver was saying that cash transactions were the only way to trigger the feds.

I see I misread that:

As NBS said above, and the forensic accountant said at the last hearing, cash is the only way to hide money.

Here's where NBS said what I thought GWC was referring to with "As NBS said above":

It is not $10,000 transactions that trigger alerts, it's $10,000 cash transactions that trigger alerts.

Which crim pointed out was not the only way to trigger alerts in this post:

The banks send a report of 'unusual' transactions of any amount to their in-house risk management, which looks for patterns. They decide to 'alert the authorities'.

Which caused me to post the post that GWC was responding to:

Well the entire basis to this argument is whether or not those transactions during those few days before the first bond hearing were suspicious activity.

Disputing one piece of evidence is not going to have any bearing on whether or not it was suspicious activity.

And since GWC led his post with:

As NBS said above,

Made me think he was trying to say again that cash was "the only way" to cause the banks to think you are partaking in suspicious activity.

Since GWC switched what NBS said above which is "cash transactions that trigger alerts" to what seems like the opposite "cash is the only way to hide money", I hope you can see why I misread it.

Either way I think the point of my post stands.

Well the entire basis to this argument is whether or not those transactions during those few days before the first bond hearing were suspicious activity.

Disputing one piece of evidence is not going to have any bearing on whether or not it was suspicious activity.

What is in question is whether or not hose transactions during those few days before the first bond hearing were suspicious activity.

I think the prosecution quite convincingly proved that it was suspicious activity.

Whether or not Z was trying to dodge some $10,000 limit has no direct bearing on that. It would just be one piece of the pie.

And another thing.

Even if the $10,000 limit doesn't exist, all that matters was if Z thought it did.

 

[This is The End]

The judge specifically called it a "reasonable conclusion" in his order.

And that's what it is.

Apparently, this isn't good enough for some people.

Well if the judge did say "reasonable conclusion" then I believe that qualifies, in Judge speak, for how TheL8Elvis wanted him to frame it in this recent argument.

"Reasonable conclusion" is probably "giving the benefit of the doubt" in Judge Lester's world.

 

[This is The End]

I don't understand this talk about threats against George. Is there really some idiot out there who is threatening to turn stupid boy into a martyr?

Probably not much of a serious threat at all.

But it works for Z and it works for Z's defense so they run with it.

 

[This is The End]

Maybe you can offer an alternative explanation for why a guy facing a murder charge hides a large sum of money and a passport from the court.

I'll be over here holding my breath.

Well, TheL8Elvis's theory is that Z was hiding the money just to get a lower bond. Period.

And that the passport hiding was just an innocent mistake or something...

I'm not sure why TheL8Elvis's thinks those are more reasonable than the alternative that the Judge said was the reasonable scenario.

 

[johnny karate]

Well if the judge did say "reasonable conclusion" then I believe that qualifies, in Judge speak, for how TheL8Elvis wanted him to frame it in this recent argument.

"Reasonable conclusion" is probably "giving the benefit of the doubt" in Judge Lester's world.

Point of fact, only "reasonable" should be in quotes, as the judge didn't actually use the term "reasonable conclusion". I've already corrected it in my original post.

The judge began in his addressing of this issue by saying "It is entirely reasonable for this Court to find that...".

For some reason, certain people read that as "What follows is incontovertible gospel truth...".

I can only imagine it is their years of experience in drafting court orders that gives them the basis to disagree with the language chosen by a veteran judge.

 

[marplots]

Maybe this will help you.

That was funny because one of the links said a good reason to carry a flashlight was in case you had to shoot somebody:

The majority of self-defense shootings occur during low-light or the night time. The exact statistics are all over the place, but I’ve most frequently seen them as saying 60% to 79% of shootings occur in these conditions.

Tasty irony there.

 

[johnny karate]

I find Lester writing 'GZ would have fled were it not for the gps' to be the same as if he had written 'TM was clearly guilty of burglary due to his possession of jewelry and a screwdriver'.

That is a blatant misrepresentation of what the order reads, and comes across as shockingly dishonest.

"It is entirely reasonable for this Court to find that...".

That was the qualifier Judge Lester offered.

Nothing about Zimmerman being "clearly guilty".

So a more honest analogy would be if you hypothesized Lester saying "It is entirely reasonable for this Court to find that Martin was involved in a burglary due to his possession of jewelry and a screwdriver".

And I'm willing to bet money you have no problem with that phrasing.

 

[Rare Truth]

Good point. Since he had no compunction against committing a felony, maybe he wouldn't have a problem committing another.

Another ? What prior felony is was convicted of ? None that I am aware of.
...

He committed a felony when he knowingly lied in his bond application.

I said committed. You turned it into convicted.

Language.

 

[Rare Truth]

Serino is the one who made the ‘little hero complex’ comment, but he also said that GZ did not want to be a police officer.

But Z DID want to be a police officer. For years.

He told Serino only recently did he decide he wanted to be a judge instead of a cop (lol) - but even in his recent police interviews:

Detective Serino: Why’d you get, I mean, well did you have the aspiration of doing that?
GZ: Being a police officer?
Detective Serino: Yeah.
GZ: Yes, sir.

[2/29 audio interview part 1 (Inv. Serino and Inv. Singleton)]

 

[Rare Truth]

That was funny because one of the links said a good reason to carry a flashlight was in case you had to shoot somebody:


Tasty irony there.

Whoa, a website devoted to concealed carry weapons, one that has a gun as its icon and even offers you a chance to win a free Ruger LC9, laser sight, Crossbreed Holster and Belt, and a gun safe!
(hurry now and we'll even throw in a Ginsu knife! Operators are standing by.)

and gives you tips on "Flashlight Shooting Techniques" (you can't go wrong with a SureFire G2X Tactical light!)...

You gotta be *********** me!

This surprises you in an ironical way why now?

 

[marplots]

Whoa, a website devoted to concealed carry weapons, one that has a gun as its icon and even offers you a chance to win a free Ruger LC9, laser sight, Crossbreed Holster and Belt, and a gun safe!
(hurry now and we'll even throw in a Ginsu knife! Operators are standing by.)

and gives you tips on "Flashlight Shooting Techniques" (you can't go wrong with a SureFire G2X Tactical light!)...

You gotta be *********** me!

This surprises you in an ironical way why now?

Because the search was posted as a justification for GZ carrying a flashlight. I took it as support for having a flashlight as normal and excusable -- in effect, pro-GZ. Since one of the links was so pro-gun defense, it struck me as ironic.

I'll concede the point if there was something I missed.

I don't actually think the flashlight has much to say about the case and his intent. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

 

[Rare Truth]

Because the search was posted as a justification for GZ carrying a flashlight. I took it as support for having a flashlight as normal and excusable -- in effect, pro-GZ. Since one of the links was so pro-gun defense, it struck me as ironic.

I'll concede the point if there was something I missed.

I don't actually think the flashlight has much to say about the case and his intent. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

OK. Makes sense.

For the record, I too do not think having a flashlight available means much of anything either. I also carry a flashlight in my car, and have for decades. It makes good sense.

 

[sgtbaker]

Really? I've owned a number of cars over the past 22 years and I've never even once had the need to use a flash light.

Enlighten me, why would you need a flashlight in a car, and why would it need to be in a place where it's easy to grab hold of.

You may be lucky enough to have never had a flat at night, but it sucks not having any light. You really should keep a flashlight in you car for emergencies like that, even if its not easily accessible. I keep it in the console so I don't have to dig it out of the emergency kit just to be able to see the damage.

 

[KatieG]

OK. Makes sense.

For the record, I too do not think having a flashlight available means much of anything either. I also carry a flashlight in my car, and have for decades. It makes good sense.

I have a flashlight, a small tool box, a quart of oil, 2 or 3 spark plugs and a fan belt in my car. I won't be able to shoot anyone but I could possibly repair the hell out of your car!

 

[Dancing David]

I think anyone who has ever actually *had* a car can grasp the concept of keeping a flashlight in it that is easy to grab.

I have flashlights in the house as well, and use them. I am on patrol I guess.

 

[Dancing David]

So he has his flashlight in one hand, his gun in the other, and his phone in the other hand?

Martian! He had a slushie in the other!

 

[Dancing David]

Really? I've owned a number of cars over the past 22 years and I've never even once had the need to use a flash light.

Enlighten me, why would you need a flashlight in a car, and why would it need to be in a place where it's easy to grab hold of.

The dome light on my Saturn is not so useful, it is hard to read maps by it.

Also useful for working around the car in the dark.

 

[Dancing David]

What percentage of people would be poking around under their own hood?? Like 10% tops?

Note: I am not suggesting that having a flashlight with you at all times is a bad idea or indicative of anything.

Depends, I had a truck that the radiator needed water on a frequent basis. Changing tires in the dark bites.

 

[Dancing David]

Of course, that was earlier. With new information that was just posted where George talkes amount going from taking a shower in Heaven to waiting for shower day, it's apparent that Heaven is their code name for the retreat where George was hiding out.


I don't understand this talk about threats against George. Is there really some idiot out there who is threatening to turn stupid boy into a martyr?

I refer to my wife's vagina as the 'happiest place on earth'.

 

[marplots]

I have a flashlight, a small tool box, a quart of oil, 2 or 3 spark plugs and a fan belt in my car. I won't be able to shoot anyone but I could possibly repair the hell out of your car!

I would also suggest it is useful to have a hidden passport and a hundred thousand dollars stashed. There is much to be learned from this case.