Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Unabogie]

There are 8 audio links on that page, perhaps you can say which one supports your claim and the time stamp at which this occurs?

Your claim, you support it. That's how it works.

Sgtbaker found it with no problem. I already told you which recording it was. I'm really amused that you think it's nice to feign this level of obtuseness. How about you buck up and listen to them all so you can finally present an informed view about them?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

That's a great point. For everyone who believes George's story about waiting for 84 seconds because it was dark by the T and he was scared, that he just went over to RVC to get an address...

Why, having reached RVC, with a working flashlight, was he unable to report back to the dispatcher the address which was his sole reason for leaving his vehicle carrying his gun?

It's not in the article. Its in the interview. Still refusing to listen?

Please just provide a link and a time stamp. Then the back and forth can stop.

 

[WildCat]

Sgtbaker found it with no problem. I already told you which recording it was. I'm really amused that you think it's nice to feign this level of obtuseness. How about you buck up and listen to them all so you can finally present an informed view about them?

So you still can't back up your claim.

Keep flailing away Unabogie.

 

[Alt+F4]

The Leatherman Blog made an interesting point. If the judge was truly biased against Zimmerman, why wouldn't he just deny bond??

IMO, the judge granting bond even considering the **** GZ has pulled, shows that he is giving GZ every benefit of the doubt.

I totally agree, I'd hold on to that judge but then we know that GZ is pretty lousy when it comes to having even a tiny bit of common sense.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Then who turned it off manipulated the evidence before Smith took the photographs?

Nobody ? Your interpretation that the light is not on in the picture is incorrect. Or maybe you are correct, and it is the case that the battery died before the photographer took the picture. Or the camera flash washed out the dim light.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I totally agree, I'd hold on to that judge but then we know that GZ is pretty lousy when it comes to having even a tiny bit of common sense.

Stating as a fact GZ was going to flee the country based on circumstantial evidence is not really what I consider 'every benefit of the doubt'. It's actually sort of the opposite.

 

[sgtbaker]

That's a great point. For everyone who believes George's story about waiting for 84 seconds because it was dark by the T and he was scared, that he just went over to RVC to get an address...

Why, having reached RVC, with a working flashlight, was he unable to report back to the dispatcher the address which was his sole reason for leaving his vehicle carrying his gun?

He did say, in the interview that his truck lights stayed on for a few minutes, which provided him with some light. When they turned off was when he was having trouble with the flashlight.

 

[Unabogie]

Please just provide a link and a time stamp. Then the back and forth can stop.

Sgtbaker found it, it's been discussed over and over, and I referenced the exact part of the recording. I also said it was in the larger context of his exiting the vehicle and jumping in and out of fear mode.

If I thought WildCat was interested in an actual conversation, I'd spoon feed him more. I already said it's in the 3rd Serino tape on the 29th, the one where they start to dissect his story. It's obvious that he hasn't bothered to listen to this tape, because the part about the 84 seconds is rather dramatic and they back up and time it and confront him with it. It's sort of a big moment, and Singleton says he's "pretending" to be scared. They ask him "are you walking back to your car here?" He says yes, so they time it. When confronted with how long that took, he changes he story and says he stopped on RVC because he didn't want to go back into the dark T without a flashlight. And remember, this all started because you pointed out that he had a working flashlight! Anyway, so they ask him why he didn't want to go back to his car (even after he had just changed his story!) and he said it was dark and he was worried about going back without a flashlight.

All of this is on the tape, it's a long segment, and if he can't be arsed to listen to the evidence then he can just call me names to his heart's content. I won't feed the troll. And I am damn sure not going to type it all up just because some posters won't take 20 minutes to listen to the evidence.

 

[Unabogie]

He did say, in the interview that his truck lights stayed on for a few minutes, which provided him with some light. When they turned off was when he was having trouble with the flashlight.

A few minutes? He got out, you hear the dings, and he runs for something like 30 seconds, IIRC. Then there's the 84 seconds that he's on the phone with dispatch after that. Let's say 3 minutes, tops? At what point do those truck lights turn off automatically? Is that what you're referring to? I drive a car that doesn't do this so I don't know what the standard is.

 

[sgtbaker]

A few minutes? He got out, you hear the dings, and he runs for something like 30 seconds, IIRC. Then there's the 84 seconds that he's on the phone with dispatch after that. Let's say 3 minutes, tops? At what point do those truck lights turn off automatically? Is that what you're referring to? I drive a car that doesn't do this so I don't know what the standard is.

I don't know. If I don't turn my headlights off before I turn the car off, they stay on for a minute or two. I am not sure how long though but I think it varies from car to car. The Suzuki that I used to have seemed to stay on a lot longer than my Caravan and my Jeep. I will go time it and get back to you.

 

[crimresearch]

I totally agree, I'd hold on to that judge but then we know that GZ is pretty lousy when it comes to having even a tiny bit of common sense.

So 'common sense' would be to ignore his lawyer, and do what internet experts say?

 

[WildCat]

Sgtbaker found it

Then maybe you can just copy and paste the link and time stamp from Sgtbaker's post?

 

[Unabogie]

Then maybe you can just copy and paste the link and time stamp from Sgtbaker's post?

Maybe you can go listen to the link I already provided?

 

[crimresearch]

He did say, in the interview that his truck lights stayed on for a few minutes, which provided him with some light. When they turned off was when he was having trouble with the flashlight.

Last car I had with that feature (and this was a long time ago), it was variable up to 2 minutes.

 

[Unabogie]

I don't know. If I don't turn my headlights off before I turn the car off, they stay on for a minute or two. I am not sure how long though but I think it varies from car to car. The Suzuki that I used to have seemed to stay on a lot longer than my Caravan and my Jeep. I will go time it and get back to you.

What model truck was it? Maybe I can find that info. It's a good point. If the headlights were illuminating things and then shut off, that would explain a change in outlook on the area.

BTW, are we reasonably sure that the ding sound is from exiting the truck with the lights on, but keys out? We know he had his keys, but left the lights on? If so, we can time the duration from when he said he was heading back (in the interview, the point where he says NOW I'm heading back) and see how long that takes on the original NEN call to see if by that time (the time he should have been heading back) the lights would have gone off.

 

[WildCat]

Maybe you can go listen to the link I already provided?

Which one, and what time? I'm listening to music at the moment and don't want to stop doing that to wade through 8 different audio files trying to find something that backs up your claim.

 

[triforcharity]

Stating as a fact GZ was going to flee the country based on circumstantial evidence is not really what I consider 'every benefit of the doubt'. It's actually sort of the opposite.

He's out on bond anyway, right?

Right?

Oh, right, he is.

 

[triforcharity]

What model truck was it? Maybe I can find that info. It's a good point. If the headlights were illuminating things and then shut off, that would explain a change in outlook on the area.

BTW, are we reasonably sure that the ding sound is from exiting the truck with the lights on, but keys out? We know he had his keys, but left the lights on? If so, we can time the duration from when he said he was heading back (in the interview, the point where he says NOW I'm heading back) and see how long that takes on the original NEN call to see if by that time (the time he should have been heading back) the lights would have gone off.

IIRC, it was an 08 or 07 Honda Ridgeline. But, I know on my previous Honda, (08 Civic SI) I could turn off that feature.

 

[Unabogie]

Which one, and what time? I'm listening to music at the moment and don't want to stop doing that to wade through 8 different audio files trying to find something that backs up your claim.

Ok, against my better judgment, it's the third recording on the 29th (I swear I've written that ten times already).

You should listen to the whole thing, but skip ahead to somewhere around the middle to where they ask him about when he started heading back. You have to listen to the whole thing to understand the issue Sgtbaker and I are trying to discuss, so if you skip ahead, don't come back and proclaim that it never mentions fear, ok?

Hopefully, this will end it for you and this wasn't just a big gotcha so you can find out if he used the word "scared" vs "concerned" or "worried" or whatever. The issue is why he didn't reach his truck in the 84 seconds it took after he said he turned around and headed back to his truck.

 

[Unabogie]

IIRC, it was an 08 or 07 Honda Ridgeline. But, I know on my previous Honda, (08 Civic SI) I could turn off that feature.

Thanks. First link discussing a 2006:

http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-8087.html

The Ridge, like other Honda vehicles, has a headlight timer. If you leave them on and walk away they shut off automatically in ~ 5 minutes. The cool thing is that they come back on when you start the truck. It's as close to automatic as you can get I use it once in a while but I find the "ding" annoying when I shut the truck off but leave the light on.

I'll look for more.