General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

[Border Reiver]

Are you saying that Carolyn Yeager is not a reputable historian or any kind of authority?

But...but Charles Traynor highly recommends her.

Looking at her website I'd say she's a white supremacist and nazi apologist. No mention of any qualifications, or anything that might give her opinion any more standing than anyone else's, except that alot of the "else's" are able to point to something other than hate to back up their opinion. Like say, documents , photographs, etc that support the historical reality of the holocaust.

 

[Cyrix686]

Documents are not something deniers are known for. Photographs yes.

The way Zilla ran like a blood sucking count from the garlic and crucifix of the Jaeger report document for instance was not just pathetic but an accurate demonstration of this trait.

Carolyn Yeager is a former US liberal who went all Neo Nazi on the world. Her voice - which I have heard upon the radio - sounds almost but not quite similar to the sort of noise a person who was gargling metal nuts and bolts whilst grating to nothing a very hard cheese like a Parmigiano might produce.

 

[Dogzilla]

What false dichotomy did I raise?

You said:



I replied with:



Where is the false dichotomy?

Have any of the Japanese people that were interned in the US ever said that the US tried to exterminate them, or their friends and relatives? Have any of them siad there were US gas chambers or medical experiments?

You presented the fact that there were Japanese Americans alive at the end of the war as evidence that there was no extermination program of Japanese Americans. I pointed out that if survival is evidence that there wasn't an extermination program then the survival of some Jews would be evidence that there was no extermination program for the Jews as well. ANTPogo said I was creating a false dichotomy. If ANTPogo is correct, then you also were creating a false dichotomy.

Why would you expect there to be Japanese Americans accusing the United States of operating an extermination program? Where would any evidence of that come from? Were any Japanese Americans interviewed by Japanese government officials searching for evidence to be used against US citizens accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity? We wouldn't need Japanese Americans to provide eyewitness testimony that the United States operated homicidal gas chambers or conducted medical experiments anyway. Unlike Nazi Germany, we can convict the Americans of those crimes with physical and documentary evidence alone.

 

[Robrob]

Where would any evidence of that come from?

From the survivors themselves. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[LemmyCaution]

. . . she's a white supremacist and nazi apologist. No mention of any qualifications. . . .

I believe that her credentials qualify her very well for one thing she does: deny the obvious.

 

[TSR]

You presented the fact that there were Japanese Americans alive at the end of the war as evidence that there was no extermination program of Japanese Americans.

No, it was presented that nearly all of the Japanese Americans sent to the internment camps came back from them -- and more importantly in the case of your lame excuse for an argument, none of them went missing.

This is in stark contrast to the millions of Jews who did not come back, and did go mission.

You're really going to have to step up your game if you expect us to stop laughing at your posts.

 

[Dcdrac]

Searchlight

http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/

 

[Border Reiver]

You presented the fact that there were Japanese Americans alive at the end of the war as evidence that there was no extermination program of Japanese Americans.

No, it was pointed out that the vast majority of Japanese Americans that were interned were still alive at the end of the war, that and the lack of extermination facilities, the lack of official government documents outlining how the extermination was to take place, how many were killed, etc.

I pointed out that if survival is evidence that there wasn't an extermination program then the survival of some Jews would be evidence that there was no extermination program for the Jews as well. ANTPogo said I was creating a false dichotomy. If ANTPogo is correct, then you also were creating a false dichotomy.

ANTPogo is correct. You created a false dichotomy comparing the internment of some Japanese Americans to the Holocaust. While pointing out that most of the Japanese Americans interned survived it was also pointed out that the program was NOT intended to kill them, and that it was also able to account for everyone who was interned and what happened to them (died during internment and of what cause, released), while the vast majority of those interned by the Nazis did NOT survive.

Why would you expect there to be Japanese Americans accusing the United States of operating an extermination program?

Same reasons that the victims of the Nazi extermination program accuse the Nazis.

Where would any evidence of that come from?

US records, reports of other nations, International courts, victim testimony, testimony of the guards, official statements of US officials that this was policy.

Were any Japanese Americans interviewed by Japanese government officials searching for evidence to be used against US citizens accused of war crimes or crimes against humanity? We wouldn't need Japanese Americans to provide eyewitness testimony that the United States operated homicidal gas chambers or conducted medical experiments anyway. Unlike Nazi Germany, we can convict the Americans of those crimes with physical and documentary evidence alone.

What an elaborate fantasy life you live.

 

[Straw Man]

................ Unlike Nazi Germany, we can convict the Americans of those crimes with physical and documentary evidence alone.

So, all of the remaining physical evidence that is in Germany is not real? The stuff I saw over there was all a figment of my imagination? The eyewitness testimony and film evidence does not exist?

What I would like to see you supply is the physical and documentary evidence that the USA exterminated the Japanese-Americans during WWII, since you obviously have it all.

 

[000063]

You presented the fact that there were Japanese Americans alive at the end of the war as evidence that there was no extermination program of Japanese Americans. I pointed out that if survival is evidence that there wasn't an extermination program then the survival of some Jews would be evidence that there was no extermination program for the Jews as well. ANTPogo said I was creating a false dichotomy. If ANTPogo is correct, then you also were creating a false dichotomy....

At no point did Multivac say that the survival of the JAs was the only way to prove that there wasn't an extermination program. You can't even prove the survival of said imaginary Jews. Because they're dead. By your own admission, you do not know what happened to them. Quit trying to have it both ways.

People went to the internment camps and either came back or were accounted for. People went into the concentration camps and were never seen again.

I love how desperate you are to deny something not even the Nazis themselves denied. I also love how you aren't responding to my posts, or even to the questions asked in the post you quoted, or the fact that people being alive is generally considered proof that they were not killed.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I asked for REAL evidence not youtube links and Kook websites

What REAL evidence do you have?

Do you think the Holocaust hugging, lying by omission MSM is the place for real real evidence?

 

[thedopefishlives]

Do you think the Holocaust hugging, lying by omission MSM is the place for real real evidence?

No, we don't. Nobody ever said that. We look for actual historical research published in respectable journals, or failing that, at least a book. All you've given us is argumentum ad Youtubum.

 

[Border Reiver]

Do you think the Holocaust hugging, lying by omission MSM is the place for real real evidence?

Well, they are a better source of information than the places you use as your sources. You know the "only quote sources that confirm my preexisting biases, simply lying" holocaust denial sites.

 

[Belz...]

Do you think the Holocaust hugging, lying by omission MSM is the place for real real evidence?

No, actually, which is the very reason why we don't accept the conclusions of deniers.

 

[Clayton Moore]

At no point did Multivac say that the survival of the JAs was the only way to prove that there wasn't an extermination program. You can't even prove the survival of said imaginary Jews. Because they're dead. By your own admission, you do not know what happened to them. Quit trying to have it both ways.

People went to the internment camps and either came back or were accounted for. People went into the concentration camps and were never seen again.

I love how desperate you are to deny something not even the Nazis themselves denied. I also love how you aren't responding to my posts, or even to the questions asked in the post you quoted, or the fact that people being alive is generally considered proof that they were not killed.

Get yourself a calculator and do the numbers. Include the alleged movement of all people, Jewish and non Jewish, to the camps.

Then scratch your head and say where was the outcry from the friends and relatives of the PEOPLE who are said to have gone missing?

Over a period of three years did the millions of friends and relatives not notice that their friends and relatives had disappeared?

Over that same period of three years no good people spoke up and leaked to the world that this was happening? Nor in the decade after and the decade after that?

 

[Dcdrac]

Do you think the Holocaust hugging, lying by omission MSM is the place for real real evidence?

Unlike the Denial Delusionists I see posting here I have lived in Germany, I have visited the sites, I have read some of the first hand accounts, the Diary of Ann Frank is a good place to start as are Primo Levis books.

I have read learned journals based on primary evidence as well as a multitude of books about the subject again by Historians drawing on priamry sources.

What I have not relied on is the Internet, youtube and whacko websites, that I leave to the realm of the Denial Delusionists.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Well, they are a better source of information than the places you use as your sources. You know the "only quote sources that confirm my preexisting biases, simply lying" holocaust denial sites.

So where are the MSM's criticisms of the fabrications weaved into the public's sensibilities? Why hasn't an investigation of the contention that Elie's tattoo doesn't exist been on 60 Minutes or Nightline or Geraldo?

 

[Dcdrac]

So where are the MSM's criticisms of the fabrications weaved into the public's sensibilities? Why hasn't an investigation of the contention that Elie's tattoo doesn't exist been on 60 Minutes or Nightline or Geraldo?

Becasue its a load of fantasist cobblers spun by Denial Delusionists, the networks have better things to focus on other than insane fantasies spun by loonies.

 

[Dcdrac]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/holocaust/5110.shtml

Primo Levi discusses 'If Not Now, When?', his forthcoming novel published in 1986. It was his first work of fiction and was based on his experiences as a partisan in Italy before his betrayal, capture and subsequent removal to Auschwitz. He also describes the circumstances that allowed him to survive the camp and recalls a surprising encounter with one of the camp's doctors some years later.
Primo Levi committed suicide in 1987, some say as a result of the guilt he suffered at his survival of the Holocaust, following a bout of severe depression. His camp number remained tattooed on his arm and was also engraved on his headstone.

 

[Dcdrac]

http://www.bookdrum.com/books/if-this-is-a-man/9780349100135/summary.html

If This is a Man - Primo Levi

Primo Levi's account of his time as a prisoner of Auschwitz begins with his arrest as a Partisan in fascist Italy. After being interned in a detention camp, Levi is sent on a five day journey in a transport wagon to Auschwitz Birkenau, arriving in February 1944.

Levi is subjected to a degrading initiation into camp life at Monowitz, a subsidiary labour camp of Auschwitz. He enters the camp naked, his hair shorn. His camp identity number is tattooed onto his forearm. Levi realises he must learn the laws of the incomprehensible reality that he now inhabits. Numerous rules and regulations dictate his brutal day to day existence. Surviving on starvation rations, inmates face daily beatings whilst undertaking back-breaking labour. After a fortnight in the camp, Levi is consumed by an obsession with food and is unrecognisable to himself.