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What is with guns and paranoia?

Travis

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The fact that things like this continue to hold traction with the gun crowd has me concerned. Especially since I have hung with some very liberal crowds in my time and really have never run across a deep rooted desire to actually ban all guns. Sure a lot of them don't like guns, I certainly don't, but they were pragmatic enough to know that trying to ban them would be a huge folly.

So why does this paranoia persist?

They seemed sure Obama would ban guns and then he didn't. Then they thought that Fast & Furious was part of some plot to ban guns. Now they think George Soros is spending huge amounts of his own money to simply stop manufacturing them.

I mean really? :rolleyes:
 
Travis said:
The fact that things like this continue to hold traction with the gun crowd has me concerned. Especially since I have hung with some very liberal crowds in my time and really have never run across a deep rooted desire to actually ban all guns. Sure a lot of them don't like guns, I certainly don't, but they were pragmatic enough to know that trying to ban them would be a huge folly.

So why does this paranoia persist?

They seemed sure Obama would ban guns and then he didn't. Then they thought that Fast & Furious was part of some plot to ban guns. Now they think George Soros is spending huge amounts of his own money to simply stop manufacturing them.

I mean really? :rolleyes:
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So what should paranoid people be paranoid about? The internet users tax? Drones?
 
One reason is because the paranoia is amplified and exploited by people who get political gain from the one issue voters.
 
crimresearch said:
So what should paranoid people be paranoid about? The internet users tax? Drones?
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I dunno, real things maybe instead of fantasy fears like the lie Democrats are out to ban guns. Just look at the nonsensical claim that Fast and Furious was a plot to ban guns.
 
The gun-grabbers lost. Both in public opinion and the courts. Obama couldn't take my guns even if he wanted to. Not unless he can get the Constitution amended. Meaning it will not happen.
 
Travis said:
The fact that things like this continue to hold traction with the gun crowd has me concerned. Especially since I have hung with some very liberal crowds in my time and really have never run across a deep rooted desire to actually ban all guns. Sure a lot of them don't like guns, I certainly don't, but they were pragmatic enough to know that trying to ban them would be a huge folly.

So why does this paranoia persist?

They seemed sure Obama would ban guns and then he didn't. Then they thought that Fast & Furious was part of some plot to ban guns. Now they think George Soros is spending huge amounts of his own money to simply stop manufacturing them.

I mean really? :rolleyes:
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Mistaken identity between corporate names.

The reason that there is a persistent feeling of impending doom (in certain circles) for private ownership of firearms is the simple fact that there are jurisdictions that have attempted to restrict lawful firearm possession in just about every possible way.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/

California leads the pack - and California gun owners are in a position that they must spend time and money just to maintain the status quo of current infringements - having the strictest laws in the nation aren't enough, there are new gun control bills introduced in every single legislative session - and gun owners in other states not only keep track of the Ca. situation, they have a reasonable fear that depending on the jurisdiction they reside in, Ca. gun control laws could come a callin' at their door (well founded, Washington DC tried to adopt the California Safe Gun Roster scheme in the wake of Heller)

Then you throw in the fear monger factor, and it's pretty easy to understand how some folks think the sky is falling watching what's happening in Californa.
 
BStrong said:
Mistaken identity between corporate names.

The reason that there is a persistent feeling of impending doom (in certain circles) for private ownership of firearms is the simple fact that there are jurisdictions that have attempted to restrict lawful firearm possession in just about every possible way.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/

California leads the pack - and California gun owners are in a position that they must spend time and money just to maintain the status quo of current infringements - having the strictest laws in the nation aren't enough, there are new gun control bills introduced in every single legislative session - and gun owners in other states not only keep track of the Ca. situation, they have a reasonable fear that depending on the jurisdiction they reside in, Ca. gun control laws could come a callin' at their door (well founded, Washington DC tried to adopt the California Safe Gun Roster scheme in the wake of Heller)

Then you throw in the fear monger factor, and it's pretty easy to understand how some folks think the sky is falling watching what's happening in Californa.
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Well I live in California and I still come across illegally killed game animals in the woods all the time. So clearly someone is still shooting anything that moves and I can't imagine they are all using illegal weapons.
 
The Dark Lord said:
The gun-grabbers lost. Both in public opinion and the courts. Obama couldn't take my guns even if he wanted to. Not unless he can get the Constitution amended. Meaning it will not happen.
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Yeah, that's why they stated going after the ammunition.



Interesting parallels, there. Rich guys using their wealth to do an end-run around the Constitution via the free market.

And the idiots never stop to think that, even if true, they could stop them the same way. Start a Guns&Ammo company of your own, and just don't sell it to Bush and/or Sorros.

Worst. Evil Conspiracy. Ever!

ETA:

Hey, that thread of mine is #2 in a Google search on that topic! Woot!

https://www.google.com/search?q=car...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 
I am not worried at all about Arizona adopting California laws on guns. The laws have actually become less strict - you don't even need a permit to carry a concealed firearm anymore. The Brady Campaign says we have the worst gun laws in the country (and California the best). Many Arizonans see this as a point of pride.
 
Travis said:
Well I live in California and I still come across illegally killed game animals in the woods all the time. So clearly someone is still shooting anything that moves and I can't imagine they are all using illegal weapons.
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Forget about criminal use or misuse, the hoops that a potential gunowner has to jump through in California are about the worst in the nation overall, with the exception being NYC.

Guys look at California and it doesn't take much in the way of imagination to realize that "it can happen here, too."

It doesn't matter that Heller and Mcdonald have changed forever the legal landscape wrt proposed restrictions on firearms ownership, or that here in California the fight has been taken to the Office of Administrative Law and the courts with wins against backdoor regulations and poorly written laws (with more cases to come) some guys read the propaganda and don't know enough of the reality to make a well informed judgement.
 
The Dark Lord said:
So handguns were never banned in DC or Chicago? And the Supreme Court decisions ruling those laws unconstitutional are likewise imaginary?
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I thought this thread was about imaginary boogymen coming to take all your guns away. Does a ban on handguns really count? If so your boogyman threshold seems comically low to me.
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
I thought this thread was about imaginary boogymen coming to take all your guns away. Does a ban on handguns really count? If so your boogyman threshold seems comically low to me.
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Did I say all guns? I own a lot of handguns. The fact of the matter is that there are people who would ban them (and have in some places although not where I live). They lost.

Epic fail in your part.
 
BStrong said:
Forget about criminal use or misuse, the hoops that a potential gunowner has to jump through in California are about the worst in the nation overall, with the exception being NYC.

Guys look at California and it doesn't take much in the way of imagination to realize that "it can happen here, too."

It doesn't matter that Heller and Mcdonald have changed forever the legal landscape wrt proposed restrictions on firearms ownership, or that here in California the fight has been taken to the Office of Administrative Law and the courts with wins against backdoor regulations and poorly written laws (with more cases to come) some guys read the propaganda and don't know enough of the reality to make a well informed judgement.
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As I've pointed out before, Heller and McDonald didn't focus so much on the minutiae of guns, but on the 14th amendment rights of people to equality.

And equality has been the bane of politicians since long before King George...or President GeorgeW...

If there is ever a national 'gun grab' ala Katrina (or a book grab, money grab, internet takeover, voter disenfranchisement etc. ), it won't matter which party is in office.

And the scare tactics from the faux-conservatives about gun grabs are the other side of the same coin as the scare tactics from the pseudo-liberals about 'NOKD' getting guns too easily.

The thing to be paranoid about are the nut jobs on both 'sides', and the sheeple who elect them.
 
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The Dark Lord said:
I am not worried at all about Arizona adopting California laws on guns. The laws have actually become less strict - you don't even need a permit to carry a concealed firearm anymore. The Brady Campaign says we have the worst gun laws in the country (and California the best). Many Arizonans see this as a point of pride.
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Sounds like a mark of shame to me.

BStrong said:
Forget about criminal use or misuse, the hoops that a potential gunowner has to jump through in California are about the worst in the nation overall, with the exception being NYC.

Guys look at California and it doesn't take much in the way of imagination to realize that "it can happen here, too."
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There's still way too many guns out here in California. It seems like every idiot with the ability to use his opposable thumbs and a penchant to shoot things in order to get off sexually somehow gets loads of guns. If California is what they are scared of I can only shake my head.
 
Is California ("best" gun laws in the country) any more safe than Arizona ("worst" gun laws in the country)?
 
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