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Send in the tanks! (Chavez)

WildCat said:
How about this one, from your own favorite site?

Ah, because raging anti-semites never, ever claim they're really just anti-zionist (wink wink) and as everyone knows you can't fight anti-semitism without first getting rid of Zionism and capitalism! :rolleyes:
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You gotta love the "Pay absolutely no attention to the Zionist billionaires behind the curtain you antisemitic rat bastard" routine.
 
When Childlike rails against "regional right-wing forces" does she mean the countries in Latin America that have economic growth and jobs?
 
geni said:
I'm not sure the evidence is on your side with regards to life expectancy projections.
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Evidence to either side is quite weak. A fair number of Venezuelans think he's actually faking it to gain sympathy. I don't subscribe to that. There are indications he'll be gone before 2014, true, but I doubt he believes it, and they may also be false.

In either event, anyone succeeding him will need a scapegoat even more desperately.

That his opponents are still more annoying? I mean most of the world has worked out that you aren't supposed to shoot the natives any more. As Ever Garcia found out the hard way the Venezuelan right hasn't.
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Considering how much applause Chavez receives for his policies I think it's quite evident they shouldn't be compared. Venezuelan opposition right now is the lesser evil. Any human or group of humans will have flaws and that Venezuelan opposition is worse than many political groups outside the country is irrelevant and should surprise no-one, especially given Venezuelan colorful history and especially in the past decade.

They will also in all likelihood fail to win the presidency, it's only a matter of how: either Chavez will be able to buy and cohere just enough votes to gather more votes on election day, or steal the election in one way or another (e.g. ghost voters). Having a Cuban security apparatus and a judiciary in the service of the government certainly helps a lot.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Considering how much applause Chavez receives for his policies I think it's quite evident they shouldn't be compared. Venezuelan opposition right now is the lesser evil. Any human or group of humans will have flaws and that Venezuelan opposition is worse than many political groups outside the country is irrelevant and should surprise no-one, especially given Venezuelan colorful history and especially in the past decade.
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Lets see. Both sides have tried to launch coups. Both sides have done some questionable things with the countrys oil industry. However as far as I can tell only one side is shooting the natives.

I'm going to have to go for kissinger's It's too bad they can't both lose.

At this point I suppose the best hopes are either for the appearence of the centerist block or that Chávez dies and the dissafected poor find someone more like Lula da Silva to rally behind.
 
The opposition has no chance because they have no program. Literacy rates and political consciousness have risen during Chavez' more than a decade in office. That cannot be easily reversed. As Chavez said - Capriles has to challenge me with ideas. And as the people say - we know more about politics than our politicians.
 
Childlike Empress said:
The opposition has no chance because they have no program. Literacy rates and political consciousness have risen during Chavez' more than a decade in office. That cannot be easily reversed. As Chavez said - Capriles has to challenge me with ideas. And as the people say - we know more about politics than our politicians.
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It was relatively easy in Libya.


http://www.geocities.com/athens/8744/libfacts.htm
 
Sad but true.

But I don't see a military option in the foreseeable future, given the integration Venezuela has in South America. They just joined Mercosur.
 
Virus said:
When Childlike rails against "regional right-wing forces" does she mean the countries in Latin America that have economic growth and jobs?
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Economic growth and jobs are just ploys of the Zionist conspiracy to take over the world. The gays are in on it too.
 
Isn't it weird how Chavez is doing the oil-backed socialist dictatorship thing and his country has a shrinking economy and high inflation while neighbouring Chile, Columbia, Peru, Brazil are embracing economic freedom and have growth.

Maybe socialists just hate poor people.
 
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Virus said:
Isn't it weird how Chavez is doing the oil-backed socialist dictatorship thing and his country has a shrinking economy and high inflation while neighbouring Chile, Columbia, Peru, Brazil are embracing economic freedom and have growth.

Maybe socialists just hate poor people.
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Chavez has innitiated many programms for the poor, medical, education, housing etc etc.

accroding to the CIA the economy is not shrinking anymore, but actually growing at a reate higher than most western countries. 4.2%

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...tryName=World&countryCode=xx&regionCode=oc&#x

and it still is not a dictatorship , its a democracy.
 
I read it's required to have "a plan" to register as a candidate for presidency, so Capriles has one, unlike I said before. At least on paper.

Analysis of both plans from a pro-revolution perspective is here:

Planning the Next 6 Years of Venezuela’s Bolivarian Revolution

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[...] Of course, opposition presidential candidate Henrique Capriles has, as a requirement at the time of registering for the presidential elections, had to submit a plan as well, and I’ll briefly review his at the end of the article. However, to compare the two plans is like comparing a Lego town with a real city, or Mills n Boon “romance” novels to Eduardo Galeano, or origami tigers with the real animal ... Capriles’ “plan” is in fact a pretentious collection of advertising slogans. Even a non Spanish speaker, taking a quick glimpse at the two (Chavez’s plan is available here and Capriles’ here) can see who seriously intends to win the October presidential elections, and who has lethargically hired a public relations team to put together a few of the standard election key words used in every single country by those vacant politicians who pretend to care about their electorate, such as “progress”, “quality” and “future” into a rather childish looking power point presentation. [...]
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And:

[...] Like advertising, the plan tries to appeal to the lowest common denominator by saying as little as possible, meaning it has almost no concrete proposals at all. ‘There is a way’, Capriles’ campaign slogan is none too clear on what that way is, where it is going, or how to get there, and his plan is the same. [...]
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Change you can believe in. ;):rolleyes:
 
Virus said:
Not really. Chavez gave himself wide-ranging decree powers to stack the deck in his favour and buys votes with:
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so you retract your claim of shrinking economy. :)

the decree powers were given to Chavez by the people of Venezuela, they seem to like this kind of nonsense. Its like in other countries where people accept such things and still consider it a democracy, like Liechtenstein for example.

so first socialists hate the poor then when creating programms to help those people its merely to buy their votes.
laughable.
 
Virus said:
Isn't it weird how Chavez is doing the oil-backed socialist dictatorship thing and his country has a shrinking economy and high inflation while neighbouring Chile, Columbia, Peru, Brazil are embracing economic freedom and have growth.

Maybe socialists just hate poor people.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers'_Party_(Brazil)

Ideology Democratic Socialism
Social democracy
Petista Socialism

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In order to protect "the revolution" perhaps Chavez can appoint a vetting committee which will investigate each candidate for office, and approve only those deemed to represent the best interests of "the people".

The members of the committee can be selected first by Chavez himself, then by a Chavez-designated heir. Who would then designate his heir and so on.
 
Chavez is going against the big business in his country and big business of parts of the 1st world.

In case no one ever learned, there were good kings and bad kings pretty much one at a time. The peeps rarely took action as a result of the king's whims and caprices, though the nobles did so on many occasions. As I recall the nobles may have squabbled but they usually had an unspoken working agreement to not doo doo where each other's meat and potatoes were concerned.

Today's nobles are the robber barons of the past two centuries now known as big business.

In the US 1st world robber barons took little time to replace the deposed nobility and big business even less time to start strangling the unions out of their fair share of the wealth.

What is taking place now is the 1st world's ruling elite deciding who in the the 3rd world needs democracy building or who needs re-democracy building if the elected leader won't agree to be a puppet of a ruling elite.


The ruling elite of the first world wants a "mini me" ruling elite in 3rd world countries.

That's what is happening to Chavez.

Will Chavez will request BRIC to get involved?

It wouldn't be the first time.
http://www.ecuadortimes.net/2011/09/05/chavez-calls-for-a-counter-attack-in-libya/
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Will Chavez will request BRIC to get involved?
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Why should he? There's nothing unusual going on. The little propaganda peak in the uprun to the elections is just part of a history of over a decade. The brainwashed western corporate media consumer already "knows" that Chavez is a dictator and will "send in the tanks" (see thread title) any moment. And the people of Venezuela don't give a flying ****. Capriles, btw, is part of a family with a not-so-small media empire. He has his own daily to present his views. Doesn't help at all.

Just look at what they have to cook up. They just managed a "constitutional" coup in Paraguay ousting Fernando Lugo two weeks ago - i'm sure next to nobody here heard about that. And now the new "democratic" president accuses Venezuela of meddling in its affairs presenting some cut-together video. And nobody in South America buys it. And Paraguay is out of Mercosur, while Venezuela is in. :)
 
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