911Blogger - Fading Away?

Childlike Empress said:
Your problem, as you have to re-assure yourself of this every day.
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How charming! CE posting in a 911 Blogger thread.

You know who 911 Blogger REALLY hates?

Your pals, the wonder mutts, Shaky Craig and Aldo the Buffet Slayer.

Thanks for joining us CE!

Looking forward to incisive commentary, I can tell you what....
 
Childlike Empress said:
Your problem, as you have to re-assure yourself of this every day.
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What does that even mean? I need positive reinvorcement, so I say people who are totally wrong about something are in fact totally wrong about something?

You think I have to re-assure myself that truthers are idiots? That they're wrong?

Do you also think I have to re-assure myself daily that concrete is harder than a down pillow?
 
Not exactly or necessarily related to the OP, but I have noticed an uptick in truther visits to my channel. Esp the 'WTC 7 before collapse' video, which I've noticed has a ton of views also (something over 450,000).

I actually enjoy the discussions there, since a few debunkers hang out and comment, but I've had to block several of the visiting truthers since they've just gone bloody haywire in one way or another.

Managed to avoid blocking one guy who insisted on calling me (and everyone else really) a ******** (rhymes with bucktard) and his pet nickname 'scooter'. I think it was after I characterized him as sounding like a rabid parrot with tourette's syndrome. He finally gave up...

Maybe these poor souls are just running out of places to go and vomit the myths up; I wonder if it's like a cat with hairballs, something to get out of the system so you can move on with your life and do something positive and productive.
The difference with visiting a site like JREF or even my channel is that we don't feed the myths, we challenge them. Even if truthers don't like it, they may get something out of it - kind of like taking Buckley's syrup for a cough. Maybe, secretly, they DO want to hear that these horrible fantasies are actually ******** (Bovine Scat) and should be thrown in the wastebin.
I sincerely hope so, because I truly feel sorry for the many who have been sucked into this 9/11 Truth swindle. Here we are in 2012, Bush and Cheney are gone from office, but Obama's doing drone attacks and targeted killings, Romney might actually get elected (shudder) and the C.I.A. is helping Sunni despots to arm rebels in Syria - and most truthers are stuck somewhere in zombified 2006.... Christ, even Dylan Avery and Steven Jones have moved on.

It's about time most everyone else did too.
 
NoahFence said:
What does that even mean? I need positive reinvorcement, so I say people who are totally wrong about something are in fact totally wrong about something?

You think I have to re-assure myself that truthers are idiots? That they're wrong?

Do you also think I have to re-assure myself daily that concrete is harder than a down pillow?
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Don't think the opinions should bother anyone too much... I've seen the lack of success the movement's had first hand. Gage's activity should have gotten the notice of the better part of the architecture profession. He doesn't have his influence, and neither does 911blogger which has been an irrelevancy for years now.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Don't think the opinions should bother anyone too much... I've seen the lack of success the movement's had first hand. Gage's activity should have gotten the notice of the better part of the architecture profession. He doesn't have his influence, and neither does 911blogger which has been an irrelevancy for years now.
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How do you think the waning of the nanothermite claim is affecting things?
 
alienentity said:
How do you think the waning of the nanothermite claim is affecting things?
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Probably nill... The nanothermite was always similar to the other CD theories in the sense that if they had any standing, the effects on the profession would have wide ranging impacts ultimate on how we built things.. We wouldn't be practicing any of the improved fire code standards, or construction standards that came out of the WTC collapses. Since they effectively argue that the buildings fell victim to sabatoge rather than their design limits being exceeded or vulnerabilities being in play.

I think the decline just marks how some of those people are finally realizing how ridiculous these controlled demolition theories are.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
...I think the decline just marks how some of those people are finally realizing how ridiculous these controlled demolition theories are.
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Agreed.

I suggest that the nano-thermite issue was a symptom of decline rather than causal.

My perspective being that Jones was losing "market standing" to Gage so he brought in thermXte as a marketing ploy - sort of a "new brand". It succeeded from that cynical perspective but such things have limited life as phenomena whether associated with 9/11 or not. And the Harrit et al Bentham fiasco caused infant sickness if not mortality to that initiative.

"Nano-thermXte" was simply another replay of "rebranding" or "repackaging" the product and had similar success.

I also see both of them in the same "ball park of truther tactics" as the emphasis put on WTC7 where IMO the tactics were:

First this is the context as I have seen it. WTC1/2 were easy to debunk technically because more than enough visual evidence to debunk "progression stage" and enough visible to add to reasoning to debunk "initiation stage" given the standard truther tactic of make a claim about some isolated detail then immediately "reverse burden of proof" to demand that the debunkers "prove it wasn't so" Both a procedural error - reverse burden - and logic error - prove a negative - and potentially an infinite series of prove negatives as goalposts are moved.

But the debunkers have been very tolerant of "reversed burden" - it lets us show how clever we are. :o

So WTC 7 was a present to truthers because the evidence was hidden and therefore not available for definitive proof of "no CD" but the faithful debunkers had set a precedent and kept trying to "prove" what should be obvious - no CD - BUT coming at it from the "truthers" setting of arse about logic. Helpful to truthers aren't we. :o always willing to fight on their terms.

AND, in case you were starting to think I'd lost the plot, thermXte with or without the "nano" prefix is just as unprovable as WTC7 - so the deity's gift to truther mendacity.

BUT thermXte is at least one more level remote from the real truther goal of "Prove CD". Even if there was 100tonnes stockpile of thermXte at ground zero it is still a long way to go to show CD. I have said that thermXte is so minor a part as to be irrelevant. If "they" want to prove CD the challenge is to prove CD. If they can do that then thermXte may simply drop into place.

IMO overall what we are seeing is simply that 9/11 has lost interest. All those who held genuine concerns about (say) CD at WTC have long been satisfied that there was none. Same situation for the other big technical claims. And the three big issues are the only real ones in the technical arena.(or five if you count WTC as three separate issues). All the other technical stuff is merely support for the "big Three (Five)"

So with the real questions answered for all those who were more or less genuine and honest we are at the stage where nearly all of those remaining have no such genuine and reasoned concern.

Sure they are a mix of confusions and differing driving motivations - I think most being a confusion of "simply cannot think" with "personal dishonesty" and maybe a touch of "genuine delusion"....but essentially we are down to the ratbag dregs of trutherdom. And euthanasia is the only cure at that level. :(

[/adrenaline_rush] :o :blush: :rolleyes:

PS I haven't forgotten the "socio-political" arena of MIHOP, LIHOP and LIHOOI - its similar to the technical side but more confused so I left it out of the above for simplicity.
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Miragememories said:
I think you're getting warm but not about the hijackers.

Unfortunately certain subjects border on being taboo here.

Any suggestion of Mossad involvement and the accusations of anti-semitism and/or Holocaust denial start flying.

For the record, I totally believe that the Halocaust occurred as recorded in the historical record, and I am not anti-semitic.

MM
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Please do not look to misrepresent what I have written. I do not subscribe to any of your 'theories'.
 
dannyb said:
"I don't see how it does, unless one is suggesting the hijackers were agents of the US government/Mossad..."
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Miragememories said:
"I think you're getting warm but not about the hijackers.

Unfortunately certain subjects border on being taboo here.

Any suggestion of Mossad involvement and the accusations of anti-semitism and/or Holocaust denial start flying.

For the record, I totally believe that the Halocaust occurred as recorded in the historical record, and I am not anti-semitic."
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dannyb said:
"Please do not look to misrepresent what I have written. I do not subscribe to any of your 'theories'."
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Predictably, no one else touched my post and you felt the need to re-affirm your loyalties.

MM
 
Miragememories said:
Predictably, no one else touched my post and you felt the need to re-affirm your loyalties.

MM
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It should have been predictable, sport, because it was completely off topic.

Further, you mentioned Mossad and no one flew off the handle!

That must mean, inside jobby job, and MM is now the jref moderator for life!

Oh wait... what was your point again?

Something about Halo?
 
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