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General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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Franceska Mann story as told by Filip Müller. Wasn't Filip Müller a crazed pathological liar?


Abraham Krzepicki ?

He was a character in a novel written by Rachel Auerbach.
When you went looking did you find the energy to seriously list 20 reasons? If so, please, go ahead.



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You're kind of missing the point of the joke; Clay can get stomped into a mudhole and get a wheelchair just by making his claims to the face of actual Jewish people.

Thank you. You prove a point I've been making and y'all have been ignoring.
For some reason Jewish people of today can get worked up into a murderous rage discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust. Yet those same Jewish people and their like imprinted minions ignore the fact that in the midst of alleged daily brutality and blood curdling atrocities Jewish individuals didn't get worked up to a murderous rage.

Saying they were too weak because of their diet or intimidated by the guards is beyond despicable.

Clayton, surely you can see a difference between going up against a huge fascist militant government and going up against your lonesome self?
 
Clayton, surely you can see a difference between going up against a huge fascist militant government and going up against your lonesome self?

If you see a young child in the path of an oncoming car do you still see the car?

If you see a young child in the path of an oncoming car are you thinking of the car?
 
If you see a young child in the path of an oncoming car do you still see the car?

If you see a young child in the path of an oncoming car are you thinking of the car?

Is this an answer?

I'm going to respond in a literal sense. If I see a young child in the path of an oncoming car, then, well, yes, I see the car. Otherwise, I'm unlikely to know the child is in it's path.

If I see a child in the path of an oncoming car, then yes, I am thinking of the oncoming car, otherwise the scenario is meaningless.
 
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Is this an answer?

I'm going to respond in a literal sense. If I see a young child in the path of an oncoming car, then, well, yes, I see the car. Otherwise, I'm unlikely to know the child is in it's path.

If I see a child in the path of an oncoming car, then yes, I am thinking of the oncoming car, otherwise the scenario is meaningless.

That's the difference. I would be thinking of the child.
 
Franceska Mann story as told by Filip Müller. Wasn't Filip Müller a crazed pathological liar?
The Schillinger incident is mentioned by IIRC Filip Mueller, Jerzy Tabau, Pery Broad, John Wiernicki, Zalmen Gradowski, Shlomo Dragon, Sara Nomberg-Pryztyk, and Janda Weiss.


Abraham Krzepicki ?

He was a character in a novel written by Rachel Auerbach.

The killing of Max Bialas by Meir Berliner was mentioned by Tanhum Grinberg, Boris Weinberg, Richard Glazar, and Elias Rosenberg, and IIRC Oscar Strawczynski. Shalom Kohn reported being told of the killing. My post made no reference to Krzepicki, but, of course, he did provide testimony to Oyneg Shabes that included this individual act of resistance.

So that I have this straight: If there is testimony or a memoir that doesn't mention resistance or murderous revenge, you use the absence of such mention as proof of the lack of resistance. If, however, a source includes description of vengeful acts or resistance, you hand-wave it away as fiction or pathological lying?
 
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Historians estimate that north of 1.1 million Jews were murdered as part of the Holocaust in actions at Ponar (discussed at length in the first of these 2 threads), Rumbula (Angrick & Klein, The "Final Solution" in Riga), Chelmno (Patrick Montague, Chelmno and the Holocaust, Shmuel Krakowski, Chelmno: A Small Village in Europe), Treblinka (http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com), and Babi Yar (Karel Berhoff, in Brandon & Lower, The Shoah in Ukraine). It would be interesting to see a denier enumerate, with proof, how many non-Holocaust related Jewish casualties were there at Ponar, Rumbula, Chelmno, Treblinka, and Babi Yar? How many Jews were executed for crimes other than just being Jewish at Ponar, Rumbula, Chelmno, Treblinka, and Babi Yar? How many Jews were simply innocent civilians caught in the crossfire at Ponar, Rumbula, Chelmno, Treblinka, and Babi Yar? How many Jews went missing but were not confirmed dead at Ponar, Rumbula, Chelmno, Treblinka, and Babi Yar? How many Jews died because they were old at Ponar, Rumbula, Chelmno, Treblinka, and Babi Yar?

Months ago we saw Dogzilla try passing off the mass killings of Jews from Vilna at Ponar as either anti-partisan actions by the Germans, a rogue operation by Jaeger's men, or population removal. As these "arguments" fell apart, he took to obfuscating by invoking gas chambers and offering "cute" misspellings of Jaeger.
 
Who fictionalized Nakam, for example, or made it up in pathological lies?

Through a mutually known person, Kovner obtained from Ephraim and Aharon Katzir a poison to be used against the S.S. prisoners being held in prisoner of war (POW) camps. However, their real plan was to inject that poison into the water routes of a few cities within Germany and to cause the death of six million Germans – a number equal to that of the Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust. From their perspective, anyone who was German was guilty, just as the Nazis had determined that anyone who was Jewish should be killed. The Katzir brothers supplied him the poison and the Haganah gave Kovner false documents of a supposedly Jewish Brigade soldier, and he boarded a ship in Port of Haifa.[citation needed] When the ship approached Toulon in France, the British had discovered that Kovner's papers were forged, but before he was arrested, he managed to dispose of the poison.[ci

Scum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakam
 
Wow, you can use Wikipedia. But that wasn't the point, was it? You in fact "advocated" people who were subject to atrocities seeking murderous revenge, not me. You said the absence of such reactions was proof that the Nazis didn't subject the Jews to the sorts of mistreatment described. So, now, does the presence of such murderous and vengeful reactions thereby prove the mistreatment described? LOL Your arguments are idiotic and all come down to your ignorance, your prejudices, and your lack of life experience.
 
Don't forget that those inmates would be docile as hell with all the alleged brutality and atrocities taking place 24/7.

Literally no one in this thread is asserting either of those points.


Your use of anti Christian cursing in the Holocaust thread is duly noted.
Perhaps it was a prayer for you to get some sense. I certainly know I've raised my eyes skyward often enough while reading your posts.


Thank you. You prove a point I've been making and y'all have been ignoring.
For some reason Jewish people of today can get worked up into a murderous rage discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust. Yet those same Jewish people and their like imprinted minions ignore the fact that in the midst of alleged daily brutality and blood curdling atrocities Jewish individuals didn't get worked up to a murderous rage.
You're missing my point; denying the suffering their ancestors went through can easily garner you an beatdown, not just talking about it. Heck, there are plenty of Germans who might stomp your head in. The people in the Holocaust didn't have access to Wikipedia and text messages; they weren't aware of every single atrocity, and much of it wasn't uncovered until the post-war investigations.

Saying they were too weak because of their diet or intimidated by the guards is beyond despicable.
Incredulity. If they are too weak, that makes it physically impossible for them to riot. The Jews were systematically oppressed. There are plenty of people, even today, who suffer under similar treatment and don't rebel. For a good potion of the USSR's history, most of the populace could be hauled out and executed or sent to the gulag just on the suspicion of the Party. No trial, no hearing, no appeal.

You still haven't answered why the Jewish POWs wouldn't revolt either.
 
The initial "no one knew" scenario worked because the inmates and others could be excused for not getting involved.

Once the "no one knew" scenario was replaced by the "pretty much everyone knew" scenario EVERYONE who knew looked the other way.

That's just EVERYONE was a zombie garbage.
Sure is, which is why no one is asserting it. Jews rebelled. We've show you.

The camp guards were mostly older men, teenagers, and women.
evidence plz

Is it possible that older men, likely fathers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?
Yes, if they've been systematically indoctrinated to believe in the Untermenschen concept. Or are you completely unaware with how crowd psychology works? People can get up to absolutely ridiculous and horrible things if there are enough of them that they wouldn't even contemplate on their own.

Is it possible that women, likely mothers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?
Yes.

Is it possible that teenagers, little more than children who probably had younger brothers and sisters, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?
Yes.

Is it possible that the above guards, 24/7, would be brutalizing children and babies and throwing them alive into fire pits and gas chambers?
No one is asserting such. Were babies thrown into fire pits and gas chambers? Yes. Did this happen with every single baby? No. Was it happening all the time? No.
 
Nothing. Just an observation.

No I get the joke. Instead of explaining why somebody is wrong and backing up their arguments with the facts, drunk Jewish hosers beat up people severely enough to cause permanent disability if they think that person is talking trash about the holocaust. Ha. Ha.
We've been backing up our arguments with facts for dozens of pages now, and Clay just keeps on being ignorant. I see no reason his invincible ignorance would be swayed by talking to actual Jewish people. I honestly don't know how many would try to beat him up, but I do know his claims would likely anger them.

The part about the "Jewish" bars is funnier, though.

The kids were playing YARDS away from the gas chamber, according to the article. That's close enough to be in immediate danger.
And where were the soldiers? Does the article say they kids were ever playing while the chambers were active?

Keep the kids inside. Sure. It's never good for children to be outside anyway.
Yes, because parents never bring their kids in for safety reasons.

Of course the scene is a dramatization!! It shows a chimney that has flames coming out the top and is spewing ash. Crematorium chimneys didn't do that unless there was a malfunction.

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So you agree that the children wouldn't be in danger from ash. I don't understand why you bought it up, then.

If there had been gas chambers, obviously somebody must've known about them.
Which is why Clay's assertion was manifestly false.

Your problem is that nobody did until they were told about them. Sorry, no contradiction. But nice try.
Who is making that assertion?
 
1940s- Germans allegedly subject Jewish children and babies to daily brutality and blood curdling atrocities

1940s- Individual Jewish adults didn't get worked up to a murderous rage and randomly attack their captors no matter the likely consequence.
Let's review. Revolters: All jews -> Some Jews -> All Jews -> No Jews ever.

Keep moving those goalposts. We've already shown there were revolts, just not on the scale you expect.

2010s- Jewish people are likely the best educated and most financially successful religious group in America.
1. No backing.
2. Correlation != causation.

2010s- For some reason Jewish people of today can get worked up into a murderous rage discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust. And it seems to be hunky-dory with most here
Yes, people tend to get emotional when you discuss the systemic genocide of millions of their ancestors, as revealed by decades of historical study which people during the war did not have the benefit of.

Somehow the victims of the alleged Holocaust atrocities didn't become murderously enraged but the best educated and most financially successful religious group in America are perfectly justified to attack people when discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust....
I never said that, nor did anyone else. Straw man. Jewish people did revolt, as you have studiously ignored.

And still no citation for the claim Jews R the Richest.
 
Seventy years ago they would "rise above it and practice forgiveness" after I snatched their baby from the mother's arms and tore it in half
Who said this?

but today they'll administer a beating so severe that it'll cripple me if I say the holocaust was exaggerated?
Not all of them, no.

Even though they have the facts to prove to me that my assessment of the holocaust isn't accurate? They'll beat me up instead? But I can tear their baby in half and that's something they'll let slide? Sounds like a pretty warped sense of priorities.

People tend to get irate when someone doesn't listen to them, no matter how much evidence they have, especially if it involves denying millions of murders.

As a black man, a hundred years ago I could've been beaten if I so much as looked at a white lady. Nowadays I can look at them all I like. I can even date them, marry them, and have kids. Does that mean that the black guy in 1912 wasn't oppressed?


It's bizarre that they collectively don't get it that the Holocaust lies diminish the victims as titmice who wouldn't throw caution to the winds if they witnessed an atrocity against a baby or a child.
If I saw someone doing that today, I'd call the police. Were the Jews going to whip out their cell phones and call 911? The standard reaction to witnessing horrible things is not "murderous rage" but "shock".

I like the little tag-team circlejerk you two have got going so you can avoid the posts with inconvenient facts, such as the fact that similar atrocities happen all the time.

Female Genital Mutilation involves disfiguring a girl's vagina in order to meet a societal standard of beauty. By your logic, these girls should be rising up to prevent people taking razor blades to their vulva. Yet there are no armed feminists brandishing AK-47s bursting into the houses of the women who perform these "surgeries" and shooting them in the head. Western attempts to end these practices have met with limited success. And that's just a pittance compared to the ethnic cleansing that goes on in sub-Saharan Africa frequently.

If you see a young child in the path of an oncoming car do you still see the car?

If you see a young child in the path of an oncoming car are you thinking of the car?
Not an answer.
 
If you see a young child in the path of an oncoming car do you still see the car?

If you see a young child in the path of an oncoming car are you thinking of the car?
Some cars have so little substance that they can safely be ignored, in the context of this thread. Why did you pick that model?
 
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