General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

[Clayton Moore]

Actually, not. We were discussing your concept that there was a war going on in the early 1940s and that the deaths of Jews in Europe during those years can be attributed to the ordinary fallout from the war. You had been asked, in fact, about your statement from days ago about WWII here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8304700&postcount=2005

You replied here, with no mention of Greece: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8311720&postcount=2018

Then Nick responded with his joke about Greece, as an example of German war conduct, making the point, through this example, that during WWII more happened than military engagements in which people happened to get caught up.

You replied, again with the concept that there was a war going on, nothing more, and that the Greeks were part of it, too: "I guess the Greeks have realized that, as someone once said, during World War II there was a war going on."

And I commented on the main point - expressed now in the form of your quip that "during World War II there was a war going on" - and then, of course, at some length on the example of Greece.

Jesus Christ.

P.S. I do not call it the Jagger Report or the Jaegoff report but the Jaeger Report, after the name of the man who prepared and submitted it and as historians and even revisionists do. Is practiced and self-congratulatory obtuseness now a prerequisite for deniers? Jesus Christ.

Your use of anti Christian cursing in the Holocaust thread is duly noted.

 

[A'isha]

Your use of anti Christian cursing in the Holocaust thread is duly noted.

Here's a picture of Jesus hugging a pony to make it all better.

 

[Nick Terry]

Your use of anti Christian cursing in the Holocaust thread is duly noted.

which denomination?

 

[Clayton Moore]

You're kind of missing the point of the joke; Clay can get stomped into a mudhole and get a wheelchair just by making his claims to the face of actual Jewish people.

Thank you. You prove a point I've been making and y'all have been ignoring.
For some reason Jewish people of today can get worked up into a murderous rage discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust. Yet those same Jewish people and their like imprinted minions ignore the fact that in the midst of alleged daily brutality and blood curdling atrocities Jewish individuals didn't get worked up to a murderous rage.

Saying they were too weak because of their diet or intimidated by the guards is beyond despicable.

 

[A'isha]

Saying they were too weak because of their diet or intimidated by the guards is beyond despicable.

Why?

 

[Clayton Moore]

The initial "no one knew" scenario worked because the inmates and others could be excused for not getting involved.

Once the "no one knew" scenario was replaced by the "pretty much everyone knew" scenario EVERYONE who knew looked the other way.

That's just EVERYONE was a zombie garbage.

The camp guards were mostly older men, teenagers, and women.

Is it possible that older men, likely fathers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that women, likely mothers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that teenagers, little more than children who probably had younger brothers and sisters, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that the above guards, 24/7, would be brutalizing children and babies and throwing them alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

 

[A'isha]

The camp guards were mostly, older men, teenagers, and women.

What?

 

[Nick Terry]

The initial "no one knew" scenario worked because the inmates and others could be excused for not getting involved.

Once the "no one knew" scenario was replaced by the "pretty much everyone knew" scenario EVERYONE who knew looked the other way.

That's just EVERYONE was a zombie garbage.

The camp guards were mostly older men, teenagers, and women.

Is it possible that older men, likely fathers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that women, likely mothers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that teenagers, little more than children who probably had younger brothers and sisters, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that the above guards, 24/7, would be brutalizing children and babies and throwing them alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

which camp are you talking about and when?

 

[Clayton Moore]

What?

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post

The camp guards were mostly, older men, teenagers, and women.

The camp guards were mostly older men, teenagers, and women.


FTFM

 

[Nick Terry]

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore View Post

The camp guards were mostly older men, teenagers, and women.


FTFM

How old were the older men and what is your evidence for this?

 

[A'isha]

The camp guards were mostly older men, teenagers, and women.

 

[Garrison]

The initial "no one knew" scenario worked because the inmates and others could be excused for not getting involved.

Once the "no one knew" scenario was replaced by the "pretty much everyone knew" scenario EVERYONE who knew looked the other way.

That's just EVERYONE was a zombie garbage.

The camp guards were mostly older men, teenagers, and women.

Is it possible that older men, likely fathers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that women, likely mothers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that teenagers, little more than children who probably had younger brothers and sisters, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that the above guards, 24/7, would be brutalizing children and babies and throwing them alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

I try to avoid this thread but that may be the single most clueless post I have ever seen, and I've read the 911 'no planer' threads. It could only be written by a person who has never cracked open a history book or watched a TV news programme and spent their life in a secluded monastery on some distant mountain top.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

For some reason Jewish people of today can get worked up into a murderous rage discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust.

Your kind are responsible for that Holocaust. No sane, reasonable person would begrudge the jewish people their righteous anger.

My uncle John, who spent the war pouring Gods justice upon the Nazi empire from the belly of a Lancaster at 30,000 feet, is still alive. As are millions who were affected by the sins of Hitlers regime. Their are entire neighborhoods in Israel where people grew up not knowing what a "grandfather" or a "cousin" is.

Not that you care.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I try to avoid this thread but that may be the single most clueless post I have ever seen, and I've read the 911 'no planer' threads. It could only be written by a person who has never cracked open a history book or watched a TV news programme and spent their life in a secluded monastery on some distant mountain top.

There aren't many monasteries where the monks robes are all white and the crosses are on fire.

 

[Dogzilla]

Which has what to do with the debate?

Nothing. Just an observation.

You're kind of missing the point of the joke; Clay can get stomped into a mudhole and get a wheelchair just by making his claims to the face of actual Jewish people.

No I get the joke. Instead of explaining why somebody is wrong and backing up their arguments with the facts, drunk Jewish hosers beat up people severely enough to cause permanent disability if they think that person is talking trash about the holocaust. Ha. Ha.

The part about the "Jewish" bars is funnier, though.

1. Keep the kids inside.
2. The gas would pose more of an immediate danger to soldiers nearby.

The kids were playing YARDS away from the gas chamber, according to the article. That's close enough to be in immediate danger.

Keep the kids inside. Sure. It's never good for children to be outside anyway.

This would be the same movie Clay keeps dismissing as a lie, right? What evidence do you have that the scene is factual, not a dramatization? Are you going to assert that Germany was actually black and white?

Of course the scene is a dramatization!! It shows a chimney that has flames coming out the top and is spewing ash. Crematorium chimneys didn't do that unless there was a malfunction.

<snip>

Incidentally, you contradicted Clay's implication that the story was that "no one knew about the gas chambers". Your points, such as they are, actually depend on Dear Old Opa knowing about the gas chambers.

If there had been gas chambers, obviously somebody must've known about them. Your problem is that nobody did until they were told about them. Sorry, no contradiction. But nice try.

 

[Dogzilla]

Actually, not. We were discussing your concept that there was a war going on in the early 1940s and that the deaths of Jews in Europe during those years can be attributed to the ordinary fallout from the war. You had been asked, in fact, about your statement from days ago about WWII here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8304700&postcount=2005

Multivac asked me if my question implying there's no connection between the holocaust and World War II was serious or not on May 21st. The actual question ("World War II? What does that have to do with the holocaust?") had been posted on May 14th.

You replied here, with no mention of Greece: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8311720&postcount=2018

Of course there's no mention of Greece. We weren't talking about Greece until Nick brought it up on May 23rd.

Then Nick responded with his joke about Greece, as an example of German war conduct, making the point, through this example, that during WWII more happened than military engagements in which people happened to get caught up.

You replied, again with the concept that there was a war going on, nothing more, and that the Greeks were part of it, too: "I guess the Greeks have realized that, as someone once said, during World War II there was a war going on."

And I commented on the main point - expressed now in the form of your quip that "during World War II there was a war going on" - and then, of course, at some length on the example of Greece.

Jesus Christ.

P.S. I do not call it the Jagger Report or the Jaegoff report but the Jaeger Report, after the name of the man who prepared and submitted it and as historians and even revisionists do. Is practiced and self-congratulatory obtuseness now a prerequisite for deniers? Jesus Christ.

You're confusing different conversations in your head.

 

[Nick Terry]

If there had been gas chambers, obviously somebody must've known about them. Your problem is that nobody did until they were told about them. Sorry, no contradiction. But nice try.

What a load of horse poo.

So now you're claiming that the first reports of gas chambers were when exactly?

 

[Nick Terry]

Multivac asked me if my question implying there's no connection between the holocaust and World War II was serious or not on May 21st. The actual question ("World War II? What does that have to do with the holocaust?") had been posted on May 14th.

Of course there's no mention of Greece. We weren't talking about Greece until Nick brought it up on May 23rd.

You're confusing different conversations in your head.

One problem, Dogzilla, is you never actually say anything which you seem willing to stand by and debate properly. The moment anyone takes anything you say seriously, you start tapdancing just as we see in the above post of yours.

Do you want to discuss WWII vis-a-vis the Holocaust or not?

It's a big subject, that connection, and not reducible to a strawman as you seem to believe.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

The kids were playing YARDS away from the gas chamber, according to the article. That's close enough to be in immediate danger.

Maybe if it were an gas open pit.

The concept of a "chamber" is a little much for you, apparently.

 

[tsig]

The initial "no one knew" scenario worked because the inmates and others could be excused for not getting involved.

Once the "no one knew" scenario was replaced by the "pretty much everyone knew" scenario EVERYONE who knew looked the other way.

That's just EVERYONE was a zombie garbage.

The camp guards were mostly older men, teenagers, and women.

Is it possible that older men, likely fathers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that women, likely mothers, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that teenagers, little more than children who probably had younger brothers and sisters, would look the other way while children and babies were being brutalized and thrown alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that the above guards, 24/7, would be brutalizing children and babies and throwing them alive into fire pits and gas chambers?

Is it possible that you have no idea what you're talking about?