Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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I always thought I remembered Apollo 11, which would have made me three but as I also have a very strong memory of rolling a frozen turkey down a flight of stairs, I'm more inclined to think it was Apollo 8...
 
I always thought I remembered Apollo 11, which would have made me three but as I also have a very strong memory of rolling a frozen turkey down a flight of stairs, I'm more inclined to think it was Apollo 8...

(insert joke about "barbecue roll")
 
In post #8412...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8266985&postcount=8412

...my post (#8286)...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8246579&postcount=8286

...was misrepresented to mislead people. Please go back and look at what I really said.

The bottom link in this post leads to a partial summary of hoax proof that these other people are trying to bury.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8033032&postcount=1

...and the rest of you destroyed your credibility by agreeing with him. None of you has any credibility. All of you obviously know that the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-believers do. That above issue is simply too clear to obfuscate and you tried to obfuscate it anyway.
One, you don't speak for me, nor will you ever. I believe the landings happened as documented.
Has it ever occurred to you that there is a reason that every single geologist, aerospace engineer and astrophysicist on the planet disagrees with your claims?

Jarrah White has never had any credibility and most likely never will. It's actually painful for me to read how he twists scientific data as if it actually backs his pre-determined conclusions..... all while playing the victim.

White has a history of abusive behavior and a simple google search will lead you to his some of his "foul mouthed rants."

And if you are going to call me & other people liars, you had better back up your accusations with concrete evidence rather than your speculative opinions. Either prove I am liar or retract your claim
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Seems pretty straight forward to me. You claimed that everyone who disagrees with you here is a liar and knows that Apollo was hoaxed. HLP took exception to being spoken for and called a liar.

As for White , he is indeed known for foul mouthed rants. The claim then that he was booted for such a rant has more credibility than any statement that calls it into question.

ETA: I also take exception to being called a liar. I know that the Apollo missions sent several craft to the moon, some even landing on the surface, and back to Earth.
Every single issue you or any other hoax pusher has been positively debunked.
 
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In post #8412...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8266985&postcount=8412

...my post (#8286)...
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8246579&postcount=8286

...was misrepresented to mislead people. Please go back and look at what I really said.

The bottom link in this post leads to a partial summary of hoax proof that these other people are trying to bury.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8033032&postcount=1

Are you saying we lied when we responded to you lying about us being liars?
 
Post 8374, rocky? Please read the entire post carefully, and think about it before answering. Take your time; I would rather have a delayed thoughtful answer than a quick canned one. In particular, as I am aware of all the references you have posted so many times here - and that I have gone to the trouble of repeating for you on other borads - I would greatly appreciate an original answer consisting of your thoughts without any links to your canned earlier responses. Are you able to do that?
 
...my post (#8286)...was misrepresented to mislead people. Please go back and look at what I really said.


What you really said?...you mean the part where you CALL ALL OF US LIARS?...or the part where you make the idiotic claim that we don't think the landings actually happened?

Be specific.
 
As for White , he is indeed known for foul mouthed rants.

At Yahoo! Groups, when others urged him to tone down his statements, Jarrah White went on another rant justifying his use of violent and foul-mouthed language, saying it was fully justified in his righteously indignant opposition to me, Dr. Phil Plait, and others. To my knowledge, White has never disavowed or repudiated that behavior, although I am told he has made good efforts to curb it in recent years.

I was in the IMDb discussion along with several others. FatFreddy88 was not. If he wants to make unsupported second-hand claims about what was deleted, and call all of us first-hand witnesses liars, then so be it. It's sheer, ignorant denial.
 
I would have been 5. My mother tells me she allowed me to stay up (I'm in the UK) but I don't remember it. I do remember watching with great interest the subsequent missions, especially the whole 'also sprach Zarathustra' bit they played and the countdown. Captivating stuff for a young boy.


I was four, and my mother says we watched it, but I don't remember it. :( I also don't remember any of the subsequent moon missions, except for my mother's telling me that the Apollo 13 astronauts were in trouble, though I do recall some of the background programs, such as the news segments explaining the kind of toothpaste the astronauts would use, and how the lunar rover worked. The first mission I can remember in any detail is Skylab 2, "the flight to save Skylab", as the news called it. I also remember Apollo-Soyuz; in particular I remember the newscaster (Walter Cronkite?) mentioning that it was the first time the Soviets had ever allowed a live broadcast of a launch.
 
At Yahoo! Groups, when others urged him to tone down his statements, Jarrah White went on another rant justifying his use of violent and foul-mouthed language, saying it was fully justified in his righteously indignant opposition to me, Dr. Phil Plait, and others. To my knowledge, White has never disavowed or repudiated that behavior, although I am told he has made good efforts to curb it in recent years.

I was in the IMDb discussion along with several others. FatFreddy88 was not. If he wants to make unsupported second-hand claims about what was deleted, and call all of us first-hand witnesses liars, then so be it. It's sheer, ignorant denial.

Nothing new there then! He has completely ignored the post I made on the previous page tearing his nonsense apart. For some time now I have suspected he has some sort of ulterior motive.
 
Seems pretty straight forward to me. You claimed that everyone who disagrees with you here is a liar and knows that Apollo was hoaxed. HLP took exception to being spoken for and called a liar.

As for White , he is indeed known for foul mouthed rants. The claim then that he was booted for such a rant has more credibility than any statement that calls it into question.

ETA: I also take exception to being called a liar. I know that the Apollo missions sent several craft to the moon, some even landing on the surface, and back to Earth.
Every single issue you or any other hoax pusher has been positively debunked.

Thanks for posting that.

I, and many others take exception to be accused of lying. Mr. Sibrel getting an old school shot to the chops certainly comes to mind.

I actually have to thank the hoaxers. It's because of their lack of scientific comprehension that led me to further my own understanding.....or address my own weaknesses in my understanding. I didn't originally have a lot of answers to their allegations so I was compelled to learn more about those claims. That eventually led me to come to the conclusion that their claims are firmly rooted in pseudoscience and an irrational psychological distrust of all authority. (be it Govt or otherwise) All that being said, I am certainly still a layman in my general understanding of space exploration but I feel I now have a stronger grasp on many of the hoax claims.
 
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The newly released "Men in Black 3" screwed up big time.

The films opening sequence features the bad guy of the film escaping from an MIB prison facility built on the Moon. While bounding across the Moons surface he passes one of the Apollo landing sites. The gold foiled portion of the lander is clearly recognizable as is the still firmly attached crisp white ascent stage. Another classic case of "Did Not Do The Research" by Hollywood.
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The newly released "Men in Black 3" screwed up big time.

The films opening sequence features the bad guy of the film escaping from an MIB prison facility built on the Moon. While bounding across the Moons surface he passes one of the Apollo landing sites. The gold foiled portion of the lander is clearly recognizable as is the still firmly attached crisp white ascent stage. Another classic case of "Did Not Do The Research" by Hollywood.
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The newly released "Men in Black 3" screwed up big time.

The films opening sequence features the bad guy of the film escaping from an MIB prison facility built on the Moon. While bounding across the Moons surface he passes one of the Apollo landing sites. The gold foiled portion of the lander is clearly recognizable as is the still firmly attached crisp white ascent stage. Another classic case of "Did Not Do The Research" by Hollywood.
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Probably, but it wouldn't surprise me if they just had the base in test screening & people didn't recognize it.
 
Jay just saw you on telly showing how the hassleblads worked on Truth Behind the Moon Landings...
 
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