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Merged 9/11 No Plane/Energy Weapon discussion thread

Moral of the story -- if you can't tell whether or not the person you're arguing with is serious, it's probably time to walk away.

Yeah.

That this "masterpiece" would be available at one's local library is yet another fantasy.

http://bostonpl.bibliocommons.com/search?t=author&search_category=author&q=judy+wood&commit=Search

http://www.chipublib.org/search/results/?searchType=Author&terms=judy+wood&x=0&y=0

http://nypl.bibliocommons.com/search?t=author&q=judy wood&commit=Search&searchOpt=catalogue

As others have noted, it's disrespectful to play fantasy pretend games about events that killed 3,000 people.
 
<snip>In addition, for those who haven't read it and whose unemployment check might not stretch to a book purchase this week,<snip>

<snip> -- assuming they've carefully budgeted expenditure of their UE benefit check -- or, if they haven't done, then GO THE LIBRARY. I'm sure interloan library systems can get it for you. Try it.<snip>

Not even a good try jammy, do better.

You do understand this board is home to probably the largest group of Dr. Wood's critics and detractors, yes? While I don't speak for them, I think it's safe to say most of us can't be bothered to read (free or otherwise) what is likely to be 500 + pages of a mad woman's ramblings. A look at her body of work and the fact that she's a no-planer is enough to convince me the book would be a complete waste of my time.

Unless you can convince me otherwise, which is highly doubtful.
 
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I can, actually, and it would almost certainly have to be inside the building to do it. But two buildings with the mass of the WTC? A sizable chunk of New York would likely go missing. And last I heard it was all still there (minus two buildings, which are being rebuilt).

It was obviously a military grade nano-nuclear bomb specifically designed to target building steel by setting off tiny atomic explosions.


(beware the galloping goalposts):)
 
By the way, you do not have a monopoly on sympathy for the direct victims of 9/11. Indeed, we all continue to be victimized by the failure of government to either investigate or determine what happened [...]


What is this ****? "I care about the victims, too! I am one!" I'd tell you to go to hell, but I'm sure you think you're already there. :rolleyes:
 
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See, there you go again. I'm SICK of people like you claiming that there is no evidence to support the commonly-held narrative, or that it wasn't investigated properly. The evidence is HUGE. The investigation was the largest criminal investigation in US history.

Call it faked, call it whatever you want, just don't sit there and claim it doesn't exist. It is idiotic.

Wait, twinstead. Your post certainly conveys a feeling, as I see it; and you're welcome to feel howsoever you may be led to feel. But, your use of language is not at all clear.

Huge, largest? What are you talking about? I grasp that some things can rightly be given such labels. Here are examples:



LARGEST.jpg



Can you possibly say what on earth you mean when you describe the evidence as HUGE and the investigation as the LARGEST?

I will elaborate on the factual elements of the NIST investigation and the 9/11Commission Report in another post.

Blessings

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Added NSFW tags. Please, do not post images that are likely to be deemed unsuitable to a workplace without the warning tags.
 
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Wait, twinstead. Your post certainly conveys a feeling, as I see it; and you're welcome to feel howsoever you may be led to feel. But, your use of language is not at all clear.

Huge, largest? What are you talking about? I grasp that some things can rightly be given such labels. Here are examples:



Can you possibly say what on earth you mean when you describe the evidence as HUGE and the investigation as the LARGEST?

I will elaborate on the factual elements of the NIST investigation and the 9/11Commission Report in another post.

Blessings
I don't really think I want to see "Breats" again.

:jaw-dropp
 
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Wait, twinstead. Your post certainly conveys a feeling, as I see it; and you're welcome to feel howsoever you may be led to feel. But, your use of language is not at all clear.

Huge, largest? What are you talking about? I grasp that some things can rightly be given such labels. Here are examples:


Can you possibly say what on earth you mean when you describe the evidence as HUGE and the investigation as the LARGEST?

I will elaborate on the factual elements of the NIST investigation and the 9/11Commission Report in another post.

Blessings

You've 'elaborated' on the factual elements of the NIST investigation and the 9/11 Commission Report before. I am singularly unimpressed by your critique of them. Wake me when you actually convince somebody who matters
 
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http://www.9-11commission.gov/
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/



The perps are either dead... crushed to a fiery death when flying into buildings or into the ground, taken care of by SEAL Team Six, or they are in jail awaiting their trial.

Bell,

Absent an explanation from you, I do not fully understand your reliance on the 9/11 Commission Report and/or the NIST report? Certainly, most posters on this board know full well that neither of those reports made any determination at all as to what destroyed the WTC complex.

NIST openly, specifically and unequivocally confirms they did no such thing. Instead, their investigation ceased as of the time the towers underwent their annhilation.

NIST states this, in an around about way as follows:

"2
The focus of the Investigation was on the sequence of events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation of collapse for each tower. For brevity in this report, this sequence is referred to as the “probable collapse sequence,” although it includes little analysis of the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached and collapse became inevitable."
NCSTAR1 pg xxxvii (39 of 298).

At most, the statement by NIST, of what it did and of what it did not do, as quoted above, might provide a fig leaf for those who have a need not to question the common storyline of 9/11, or for a way to form a belief, akin to the way in which one forms religious affiliation, for example. But, the language of the NIST report itself clearly confirms the accuracy of my statement that there exists no governmental determination of what destroyed the WTC complex on 9/11.

The only saving grace here is that Judy Wood challenged NIST and did cause to be filed with NIST the state-of-the-art proof, as it existed circa 2007, on what destroyed the WTC Complex. This, too, is published at NIST:

http://ocio.os.doc.gov/ITPolicyandPrograms/Information_Quality/PROD01_002619

Request for Correction from Dr. Judy Wood dated March 16, 2007
- Supplement #1 (March 29, 2007) to Request for Correction
- Supplement #2 (April 20, 2007) to Request for Correction
- Extension (June 29, 2007) of NIST review
- Response (July 27, 2007) to Dr. Judy Wood Request for Correction
- Appeal by Dr. Wood of NIST Initial Denial dated August 22, 2007
- NIST Extension to Wood Amendment to Appeal
- Amendment to Appeal dated August 23, 2007
- Response (Jan. 10, 2008) to Wood Amendment to Appeal


For those of you who might be tempted to create a fig leaf out of NIST's statement that "although it includes little analysis of the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached " as meaning they at least did some investigation of the destruction of the WTC complex, don't bother.

In one of the documents mentioned above as a part of Dr. Wood's NIST challenge (Response July 27, 2007), NIST admitted to Dr. Wood that the words "little analysis" meant none at all. NIST stated in that response as follows:

"As stated in NCSTAR 1, NIST only investigated the factors leading to the initiation of the collapses of the WTC towers, not the collapses themselves."

As to the 9/11 Commission Report, I am again surprised it is being touted. In earlier posts, I have mentioned three books that are thought to be important to the debunker community; although they are not selling nearly as well as Dr. Wood's book is at this time. They were:

Without Precedent
Ground Truth
Touching History

A common thread in all three of them was that the 9/11 Commission Report was flawed, at best, largely useless and incomplete.

One example of that incompleteness is that for howsoever large the investigation may have been, it did not even determine who or how the common storyline version of events was even financed.

So, once again, Bell, I am not questioning your beliefs. You can choose to believe 9/11 has been investigated. Fine. You can choose to believe the cause of the destruction of the WTC complex has been governmentally determined, if you want. But, your doing so runs afoul of the facts of the matter.
 
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I don't really think I want to see "Breats" again.

:jaw-dropp

For what it's worth, I noticed the spelling error all on my own. But, it would have required redoing a jpg, reposting it etc. I also knew there would be those here who would jump all over that (no pun intended) :p
 
What is this ****? "I care about the victims, too! I am one!" I'd tell you to go to hell, but I'm sure you think you're already there. :rolleyes:

I am sorry for your loss and am hopeful your recovery is progressing well. As for your apparent need to couple sympathy for victims with acquiescence in the failure to determine properly what happened, let alone who did it, I disagree that sympathy has anything at all to do with it. Indeed, there exists a large group of victims who likewise feel betrayed by the lack of proper determination of what happened, let alone who did it.

Were it not for victims, we might not have even had a 9/11 Commission Report, notwithstanding its shoddy, politicized nature and ultimate purpose as a device for coverup.

Take care
 
For what it's worth, I noticed the spelling error all on my own. But, it would have required redoing a jpg, reposting it etc. I also knew there would be those here who would jump all over that (no pun intended) :p
I couldn't see how you would have missed it. So why again did you feel the need to post those pictures? Was it no one is paying attention to you to the extent you desire?
 
I have mentioned three books that are thought to be important to the debunker community; although they are not selling nearly as well as Dr. Wood's book is at this time. They were:

Without Precedent
Ground Truth
Touching History

A common thread in all three of them was that the 9/11 Commission Report was flawed, at best, largely useless and incomplete.
Please, do tell me how you've come to that conclusion about Ground Truth.

No need for a verbose response. Just the page numbers will be fine. I have a copy of the book here.

Of course I suspect the reality is you haven't read the book. And you've simply taken the word of a lying truther as to its content. But go ahead: prove me wrong.
 
Yeah.

That this "masterpiece" would be available at one's local library is yet another fantasy.

http://bostonpl.bibliocommons.com/search?t=author&search_category=author&q=judy+wood&commit=Search

http://www.chipublib.org/search/results/?searchType=Author&terms=judy+wood&x=0&y=0

http://nypl.bibliocommons.com/search?t=author&q=judy wood&commit=Search&searchOpt=catalogue

As others have noted, it's disrespectful to play fantasy pretend games about events that killed 3,000 people.

The above is a bit disengenuous, in my opinion. Public libraries are often under political pressure to conform to the common storyline of 9/11.

Indeed, the group LIBRARIANS FOR 9/11 TRUTH is on to this and is doing something about it:

link

http://www.librariansfor911truth.org/librarian.html


excerpt:


"What can librarians do?

Order or donate books, videos, tapes, etc. on 9/11.
Not sure where to start? Let me suggest 2 I find especially important and not very available in libraries so far:
1) the book: Where did the towers go? by Dr. Judy Wood, available here
2) the video: Beyond Treason, available here"


Some libraries have it; more will.
 
Please, do tell me how you've come to that conclusion about Ground Truth.

No need for a verbose response. Just the page numbers will be fine. I have a copy of the book here.

Of course I suspect the reality is you haven't read the book. And you've simply taken the word of a lying truther as to its content. But go ahead: prove me wrong.

No, I do not play that game. If you've got a claim you want to make about Ground Truth or about any other truth, you make it.

I am not ever going to allow you to judge my posts and then tell me to convince you. I'm not here to convince you of anything. Do your own claim making if you want to contradict me.
 
No, I do not play that game. If you've got a claim you want to make about Ground Truth or about any other truth, you make it.

I am not ever going to allow you to judge my posts and then tell me to convince you. I'm not here to convince you of anything. Do your own claim making if you want to contradict me.
At least you're honest (not factually but, you really don't care about that). You want people to listen to you but you really don't care if they believe you. You have no intention of supporting anything you say to a level that is convincing to anyone other than yourself. "Facts" are no more than the way you see them.

Did I get this right?
 
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No, I do not play that game. If you've got a claim you want to make about Ground Truth or about any other truth, you make it.
"Game"?

You've made a claim, that a theme within Farmer's "The Ground Truth" was "that the 9/11 Commission Report was flawed, at best, largely useless and incomplete".

I asked you to stand it up.

And to do so, is a "game"?

No.

What actually happened here is that Farmer wrote Ground Truth, of which the publishers said: ""Farmer builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version not only is almost entirely untrue but serves to create a false impression of order and security."

Many truthers assumed he meant the 9/11 Commission Report. But he didn't. He doesn't say that in the book, which is why you cannot back up your claim. And he's explicity said otherwise in interviews. A transcript of one includes this, for instance:

JF- Well, let me just say that I think the report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found.
http://911reports.wordpress.com/200...rmer-on-malloy-show-with-brad-friedman-91109/

Of course truthers could care less about reading his book, so they carry on with their fictional claims regardless.

Will you? Your evasive response tells me all I need to know about you, to be honest. I've never bothered with this before, but welcome to ignore.
 
Clearly they used an Atomic Cannon to break the atomic bonds

Sorry, but the use of Kzinti disintegrator weapons is also refuted by the fact that almost all of the steel was recovered "intact", ie., in macroscopic pieces (mangled girders and the like)*. This is the fundamental problem with the fantasy pushed by Wood (and her equally silly and mendacious fanboys and -girls) - its central premise (the steel was "turned to dust") flatly contradicts reality.


*Also refuted by the fact the human race hasn't been subjugated by 8-foot-tabbies for slave labor and snacks.
 
Indeed, the group LIBRARIANS FOR 9/11 TRUTH is on to this and is doing something about it:

link

http://www.librariansfor911truth.org/librarian.html

ROFL. Scott Sommers needs to see this website.

Scott, remember a few weeks ago our discussion regarding Truth groups and their connection to second rate IT? Check out that site...over a year old...went through the hassle of getting a domain name and webspace, yet...just import a single page from Word 97 or something as their homepage. Yes that really get's me into their cause.

Jamm, pray tell, how many members there are of Librarians for 9/11 Truth? There doesn't seem to be a members section. LOL.

It's probably one dude. Wait for it...if you go to the main directory. (librariansfor911truth.org) yep, it says Librarian for 9/11 Truth as the title on top.

Epic site Jamm, EPIC! Are you perhaps that Librarian for 9/11 Truth?
 

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