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WTC7 and the girder walk-off between column 79 and 44

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jaydeehess said:
Indeed such a claim would require at least one example of a CD performed on an office structure that had not had all of its office equipment and furnishing removed, something that simply never occurs. Thus given that in known CDs such fires cannot occure (all flammables having been removed prior to take-down) claiming that underground fires prove CD is the ultimate in illogic.
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So why couldn't the fire be put out for over two months?
 
jaydeehess said:
Indeed such a claim would require at least one example of a CD performed on an office structure that had not had all of its office equipment and furnishing removed, something that simply never occurs. Thus given that in known CDs such fires cannot occure (all flammables having been removed prior to take-down) claiming that underground fires prove CD is the ultimate in illogic.
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Baby steps. Was there a fire in/under the rubble for over two months or not?
 
Clayton Moore said:
DGM and Animal

Was there a fire in/under the rubble for over two months or not?
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There was not "a fire", there were FIRES. They could not be put out because they were in the rubble, and were put out when they got to them. Thermite burns in seconds, and then it is out. The only thing that can burn for months, office contents. What burns for months in your fantasy world of 911 crazy claims and false nonsense? You can't answer the simple questions based on your fantasy.
 
jaydeehess said:
Indeed such a claim would require at least one example of a CD performed on an office structure that had not had all of its office equipment and furnishing removed, something that simply never occurs. Thus given that in known CDs such fires cannot occure (all flammables having been removed prior to take-down) claiming that underground fires prove CD is the ultimate in illogic.
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I'm guessing that in Clayton's mind, CDing -- in the right way -- a structure that had had all flammables removed would gloriously prove his point.

I have to guess, of course, because so far he has declined to engage any of my questions. Other hypotheses are equally consistent with the observables.
 
Clayton Moore said:
So why couldn't the fire be put out for over two months?
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It can take days to put out a small warehouse fire that stops at the foundations a few feet below.

WTC covered acres and included deep basements covered in > 100 storeys-worth of rubble.

Your question is palpably dumb.
 
Originally Posted by jaydeehess
Indeed such a claim would require at least one example of a CD performed on an office structure that had not had all of its office equipment and furnishing removed, something that simply never occurs. Thus given that in known CDs such fires cannot occure (all flammables having been removed prior to take-down) claiming that underground fires prove CD is the ultimate in illogic.
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Clayton Moore said:
So why couldn't the fire be put out for over two months?
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Clayton Moore said:
Baby steps. Was there a fire in/under the rubble for over two months or not?
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DGM said:
Yes. How exactly do you put a fire out that's under a mountain of rubble?
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Clayton Moore said:
River water.
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Yes ok, baby steps:
So you do not have any reason to conclude that such fires would be unusual in a building that collapses completely with all its interior flammables still in the structure. Correct?

Then of course there is the continuing question of exactly how a long running underground fire equates to a CD having been responsible for the collapse of the structure? Where's the connect between those two thoughts Clayton?

As for the fires below various parts of the WTC complex, how exactly (please more than a two word answer Clayton) does one put out such fires especially given the fact of the numerous other examples of underground fires that have burned for years, in some cases decades, despite efforts to quench them. garbage dump, coal seam, tire pile fires all are extremely difficult to put out even with enormous amounts of water being put to them.

After you answer that you can then attempt to explain how the rubble burning for any period of time equates to a CD. This is especially important Clayton because you and others have utterly failed to make any case for this. Its not an indication of thermite as thermite is consumed very quickly. Obviously explosives are consumed even quicker (thus their designation as 'explosive') . In fact the only thing that can burn for a long time is a large quantity of carbon based material (like garbage, coal, tires, or 47 to 110 storeys worth of office building equipment and furnishings along with several storeys worth of automobile parking with its attendant diesel, gasoline, power steering, hydraulic, and brake fluids, rubber, fabrics).

So once again the query is put to you:
Exactly how does long running underground fires equate to a CD having been responsible for the collapse of the structure?
 
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Clayton,,,, oh Clayton, you were on JREF over an hour ago but seems you missed this thread or the fact that post 1615, posted last evening, was addressed to you.

the crickets might get tired.......
 
jaydeehess said:
Yes ok, baby steps:
So you do not have any reason to conclude that such fires would be unusual in a building that collapses completely with all its interior flammables still in the structure. Correct?

Then of course there is the continuing question of exactly how a long running underground fire equates to a CD having been responsible for the collapse of the structure? Where's the connect between those two thoughts Clayton?

As for the fires below various parts of the WTC complex, how exactly (please more than a two word answer Clayton) does one put out such fires especially given the fact of the numerous other examples of underground fires that have burned for years, in some cases decades, despite efforts to quench them. garbage dump, coal seam, tire pile fires all are extremely difficult to put out even with enormous amounts of water being put to them.

After you answer that you can then attempt to explain how the rubble burning for any period of time equates to a CD. This is especially important Clayton because you and others have utterly failed to make any case for this. Its not an indication of thermite as thermite is consumed very quickly. Obviously explosives are consumed even quicker (thus their designation as 'explosive') . In fact the only thing that can burn for a long time is a large quantity of carbon based material (like garbage, coal, tires, or 47 to 110 storeys worth of office building equipment and furnishings along with several storeys worth of automobile parking with its attendant diesel, gasoline, power steering, hydraulic, and brake fluids, rubber, fabrics).

So once again the query is put to you:
Exactly how does long running underground fires equate to a CD having been responsible for the collapse of the structure?
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More cause why questions.

There were fires under the rubble for over 2 months.

Debunker responses.

What fires?
There was no fire. (later) There were fireS
There were no fires.
Many types of fires are unable to be put out.
Ad infinitum!
 
jaydeehess said:
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So once again the query is put to you:
Exactly how does long running underground fires equate to a CD having been responsible for the collapse of the structure?
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And the answer is?
Clayton Moore said:
More cause why questions.

There were fires under the rubble for over 2 months.

Debunker responses.

What fires?
There was no fire. (later) There were fireS
There were no fires.
Many types of fires are unable to be put out.
Ad infinitum!
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Clayton Moore said:
More cause why questions.

There were fires under the rubble for over 2 months....
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Wasn't 99days the official figure??
Clayton Moore said:
...Debunker responses.

What fires?
There was no fire. (later) There were fireS
There were no fires.
Many types of fires are unable to be put out.
Ad infinitum!
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Ignore silly debunker comments. They are not "official" and don't deserve any more attention than silly truther comments. Or rather silly comments by truthers to remove the ambiguity. ;)

The real question about putting out fires is "Why would you bother putting them out any faster than you need to?" Probably several criteria of "need". One of the more obvious ones is "Put them out as you get to them and they interfere with site clearing". DVR not a factor by that stage.
 
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