TAM X - Singles n' Singles

That's a pity. Unfortunately, the sceptic movement is a bit like this - we tend to question ideas, rather than accepting them immediately.


Sir...questioning is totally fine!! I had no problem working with everyone to make a great event, but I'm not going to sit here for the next 80 days continuously defending the idea to someone who is more interested in just shooting down the idea than actually making it work.

It is a shame, I was looking forward to meeting some of you guys that seemed genuinely nice, but I can't justify spending that kind of money on a conference that is already making me upset.

Why would I spend MY time and effort setting up an event when people are just going to take every opportunity to tell me all the reasons it's a failure in their eyes?
 
If you genuinely think it would be a fun event and that the people who attended would have a good time, why would it matter to you that some other people who weren't attending didn't like the idea?
 
You seem to be awfully abusive. What's with the attitude?

Really? You don't see?

I spent my time and energy trying to come up with something that I thought would be cool for some people that shared a similar situation as me. Instead, I have had to deal with pages of people blasting the idea and basically calling me an idiot for not liking the other events.

I think there were only a few people that actually said, "Great idea, I'll help in anyway I can!"

There were some on the Facebook group that seemed so nice and willing to make this a great experience. However, then there were those who, instead of spending time and energy making it awesome, decided instead to point out ever reason why they thought the idea was gonna fail.

It's juvenile and I just don't see why I should spend my time trying to make the community awesome for others, when they're not interested in doing anything but putting others down.
 
If you genuinely think it would be a fun event and that the people who attended would have a good time, why would it matter to you that some other people who weren't attending didn't like the idea?

Do you not understand that all the dicks in this thread that were being negative and not helpful were basically sabotaging the idea?

Do you not realize that they were basically creating a situation that no one really wanted to be a part of because it was already filled with negativity and put downs?

I personally feel like there was a nice little gang mentality here. Instead of finding reasons to make it work, they banded together and found ways to make it a volatile and toxic environment.

You know the whole, "If you ain't got nothin' nice to say.." thing? Well that apparently doesn't apply on this forum. If you, or anyone else wasn't interested in the idea, then awesome...go find something else to do, but they just wanted to see it fail in my opinion.
 
well, obviously your time is your own and you should do or not do any project you wish, but you need to bear in mind that you aren't owed anyone's time, attention, or enthusiasm. People aren't betraying you by not thinking it's a good idea, or even by actively thinking it's a bad idea. If the criticism of others is enough to make you abandon the idea, are you sure it was a good idea?
 
well, obviously your time is your own and you should do or not do any project you wish, but you need to bear in mind that you aren't owed anyone's time, attention, or enthusiasm. People aren't betraying you by not thinking it's a good idea, or even by actively thinking it's a bad idea. If the criticism of others is enough to make you abandon the idea, are you sure it was a good idea?


Oh come on!

There is a difference between constructive criticism and simply stomping on an idea. Lets look at this from the perspective of someone who may have been interested in attending this event, or even TAM.


Someone comes up with an idea. A few people decide they're going to give their reasons why it's going to fail, even though they have no intention of even attending, no matter what it is.

This dominates the conversation and turns it negative. The person, who may have been excited and interested in contributing is now bombarded with 3 pages of negativity.

Instead of finding solutions to the problems, some choose to bring it down even more. This creates a situation in which a good idea, now seems stupid. The person that was thinking of attending now feels like embarrassed or dumb because they aren't comfortable with the traditional events at TAM.

The conversation continues and it becomes less and less exciting. No one is being encouraged to add ideas. No one is posting potential links. No one is trying to communicate with each other and get to know each other.

The fact is that the actions of a few people here ruined and tainted the experience. They chose to focus on the negative and offer very little in terms of making it a success.

I don't mind criticism, but you can't say that all criticism is healthy or productive. Here is an example...


"I think I would like to get in better shape"
"Go to the gym then, that's what they're there for"
"I don't really feel comfortable going to the gym though..."
"Why, that is what others do!"
"Ya, but I would like to find an activity that I would be more comfortable with."
"How are you going to get in shape with that attitude?"
"I dunno, I thought I would perhaps find some other people to work out with."
"You don't have a plan, you don't know who those people are...this isn't going to work."
"...oh.."

OR!

"I think I would like to get in better shape"
"Cool, what were you thinking of doing?"
"Well, I don't really feel comfortable in the gym, so I'm still thinking."
"Hmmm, well maybe we can come up with some good alternatives."
"That would be cool, but I would like to find others in a similar situation as well."
"That makes sense, you need to feel comfortable, here I'll help you look. This should be cool!"
"Yay, I'm excited!"


See the difference? See how one encourages the idea and leaves it up to the person to succeed or fail? See how in the first one they knocked the person down to the point where they lost the desire, but in the second one they encouraged them and go them excited....even if they thought the idea was totally stupid?

If you don't think this thread went like this, you should go back and give it another read.
 
"I think I would like to get in better shape"
"Go to the gym then, that's what they're there for"
"I don't really feel comfortable going to the gym though..."
"Why, that is what others do!"
"Ya, but I would like to find an activity that I would be more comfortable with."
"How are you going to get in shape with that attitude?"
"I dunno, I thought I would perhaps find some other people to work out with."
"You don't have a plan, you don't know who those people are...this isn't going to work."
"...oh.."

The Southpoint has a gym. Maybe we could all meet there!
 
Would you like me to actually give you some knowledge on the subjects you're talking about so you don't sound like pompous jerks?

My irony meter just started whimpering.

Look murph -- no one objects to you or anyone else organizing a gathering or an event. The more the merrier.

What personally sticks in my craw is your implication this entire thread that those of us who are not solo newbies are not doing enough to seek the solo newbies out when those newbies:

  • won't deign to walk into a bar full of people socializing
  • won't initiate a conversation with a stranger
  • won't lift a finger to identify themselves as new attendees (i.e. First TAMmer badges)
  • won't step outside any comfort zones to find like-minded people at a conference built to gather like-minded people together
And your alternative to walking up to a group of social people in a social place doing social things is to gather a group of strangers who don't have social skills and go someplace away from all the people? And this is supposed to make it easier to make friends?

Come or don't come. Talk to people or don't talk to people. If you want to get anything out of the social side of TAM (or, for that matter, life) you have to put something in. While you figure out what you want that to be, the unwashed peasants will be down at the bar. Can't miss it -- within striking distance of the penny slots.

Enjoy ComiCon. I understand it's a calm, reflective environment geared entirely towards intelligent discourse.
 
"I think I would like to get in better shape"
"Cool, what were you thinking of doing?"
"Well, I don't really feel comfortable in the gym, so I'm still thinking."
"Hmmm, well maybe we can come up with some good alternatives."
"That would be cool, but I would like to find others in a similar situation as well."
"That makes sense, you need to feel comfortable, here I'll help you look. This should be cool!"
"Yay, I'm excited!"


From here, it was more like this:

"I want to get in shape."
"Welcome aboard -- come on in!"
"I don't really like to lift heavy things. Why does everyone here want to lift heavy things?"
"Okay, what do you want to do?"
"I want to build some muscles."
"Without lifting heavy things? Good luck with that, but I think you'll find you are going to have to lift some heavy things to build some muscles."
"No, I'll just find others who don't like lifting heavy things and we'll go build muscles together."

If you had wandered up to that conversation (I know you'd never actually do that, but just pretend), how long could you listen before it started sounding ridiculous?
 
My irony meter just started whimpering.

Look murph -- no one objects to you or anyone else organizing a gathering or an event. The more the merrier.

What personally sticks in my craw is your implication this entire thread that those of us who are not solo newbies are not doing enough to seek the solo newbies out when those newbies:

  • won't deign to walk into a bar full of people socializing
  • won't initiate a conversation with a stranger
  • won't lift a finger to identify themselves as new attendees (i.e. First TAMmer badges)
  • won't step outside any comfort zones to find like-minded people at a conference built to gather like-minded people together
And your alternative to walking up to a group of social people in a social place doing social things is to gather a group of strangers who don't have social skills and go someplace away from all the people? And this is supposed to make it easier to make friends?

Come or don't come. Talk to people or don't talk to people. If you want to get anything out of the social side of TAM (or, for that matter, life) you have to put something in. While you figure out what you want that to be, the unwashed peasants will be down at the bar. Can't miss it -- within striking distance of the penny slots.

Enjoy ComiCon. I understand it's a calm, reflective environment geared entirely towards intelligent discourse.

Well put. Thanks.
 
And your alternative to walking up to a group of social people in a social place doing social things is to gather a group of strangers who don't have social skills and go someplace away from all the people? And this is supposed to make it easier to make friends?

And this is what sticks in my craw. You assume that just because we aren't into "your" events or "your" way of meeting people we are all a bunch of social rejects.

How dare you make that assumption. The fact that you took personal offense to others choosing to try something different is your shortcoming.

Someone comes on the forum and says they would feel more comfortable meeting people in a certain way, and your reaction is to take offense and then call me names?

What are you like five years old? What do you care if I hate every single one of you and want to meet with others and sit in a corner? What is it to you? If that is how I want to conduct myself who are you to tell me otherwise.

So, I'll say this again. Despite what you personally want to believe, I have explained that I'm not interested in listening to you tell me over and over again how personable you think you and the others are.

I was interested in positive suggestions. I was interested in meeting a group I would feel comfortable with and I had hoped this forum would be support enough to understand not everyone is like you, and not everyone wants to do things your way.

I had seven people signed up and I was totally cool with that. However the bullies on this forum just had to keep at it and keep telling us how dumb we were for not planning it the way they thought we should.
 
What do you care if I hate every single one of you and want to meet with others and sit in a corner? What is it to you?

Yeah, right on!! People shouldn't get upset by what other people say!

I had seven people signed up and I was totally cool with that. However the bullies on this forum just had to keep at it and keep telling us how dumb we were for not planning it the way they thought we should.

Damn, this thread is tough on irony meters.
 
I was interested in positive suggestions. I was interested in meeting a group I would feel comfortable with and I had hoped this forum would be support enough to understand not everyone is like you, and not everyone wants to do things your way.


No, your attitude, based on what you posted in the other thread, is that you think skeptical events like TAM are filled with dicks, and that anyone who disagrees with you is a dick. So I am not sure exactly who you thought you were looking forward to meeting at TAM.

ETA: I was actually mostly on your side until you started spouting your views on skeptics at skeptical events.
 
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No, your attitude, based on what you posted in the other thread, is that you think skeptical events like TAM are filled with dicks, and that anyone who disagrees with you is a dick. So I am not sure exactly who you thought you were looking forward to meeting at TAM.


And this form seems to be supporting that claim. People are welcome to disagree with me, but I'm not sure you understand the difference between disagreeing and bullying.

Do I really have to explain this again? Maybe your issue is reading comprehension?
 
What, so I have an opinion about skeptics and that's not cool because you don't agree with it?

There are jerks at skeptical events and on this forum, it sucks when you are new...deal with it.
 
And this form seems to be supporting that claim. People are welcome to disagree with me, but I'm not sure you understand the difference between disagreeing and bullying.

Do I really have to explain this again? Maybe your issue is reading comprehension?


There is no bullying going on, but when you describe skeptical meetings as "giant cock fights" and you call posters who disagree with you "skeptowolves" it's clear you're out to pick a fight. That last sentence saying that my issue is reading comprehension is further evidence of that. Simply an insult.

I suggested early on that maybe you should stay away from skeptic meetings if you hate us so much, and you just used that as another way to attack me.

I think what you're trying to do is clear to everyone. It's a waste of time to try to argue with you.
 
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