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Is homeopathy a sham?

kerikiwi said:
It seems you have a slight problem with the English language.
What you said was: 'if this is correct, then I apologise'
'It' was correct, so clearly you apologised.
And I , most graciously, accepted your apology.
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You are correct. I did say all those things. Then I said 'if you think I meant it, then pigs will fly'. You clearly think I meant it (unless you have a problem with the English language), so if you need me, I'll be on the veranda looking for pigs in the sky.
 
SezMe said:
It chills out. You're welcome. I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitstaffperson.

Can water dowsers find ice cubes? Greenland?
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Good point. I wonder if homeopathy medicine can be supplied in ice lolly form? On second thoughts, that's silly. The ice would just remember it was water and instantly unfreeze itself.
 
Mojo said:
Homoeopaths claim that by "supressing" symptoms, real medicine drives them inwards and makes them worse.

And I expect suffering is good for the soul.
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Which is particularly odd as their remedies are based on similarity of symptoms (like cures like) rather than any knowledge of the underlying cause of the illness.
 
jadebox said:
But, as long as those pills I put in my gas tank keep increasing my car's miles-per-gallon, I don't care .....

-- Roger
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I used so many pills in my gas tank that now I have to stop every so often and drain the gas out!

ETA: I tried making homeopathic gas but the dilution got so volatile that it spontaneously combusted destroying my lab and all my notes except the ones the dog ate.
 
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Safe-Keeper said:
Pharmacies carry homeopathic drugs: not evidence that they work.
Homeopathic remedies better than prescription drugs: statement with no evidence.
Law of similars/succeptibility: do not prove homeopathy works. Don't even know if there's any evidence of them in the first place.

Bottom line is, homeopathy has been proven not to work and none of your points of "evidence" change that.
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Tell me something then--how come homeopathic medicine ALWAYS makes my colds go away?
Rational thinkers should admit that the effectiveness of homeopathy has been proven time and time again.
Or else you and your family are at risk for so many different diseases that you refuse to treat.
Let me tell you--your own health should be more important than trying to look smart on a skeptic board.
Let me know if you would like any further information on homeopathic medicine.
 
Stereolab said:
Tell me something then--how come homeopathic medicine ALWAYS makes my colds go away?.
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A personal anecdote is not proof of homeopathetics efficacy.
Rational thinkers should admit that the effectiveness of homeopathy has been proven time and time again.
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Yet no one has been able to produce peer reviewed medical papers that supports this "proof".
Or else you and your family are at risk for so many different diseases that you refuse to treat.
Let me tell you--your own health should be more important than trying to look smart on a skeptic board.
Let me know if you would like any further information on homeopathic medicine.
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Start with peer-reviewed .... No. Don't bother. There are already a multitude of threads on the subject here - none of which offer medical evidence for the efficacy of homeopathetics.
 
Stereolab said:
Let me tell you--your own health should be more important than trying to look smart on a skeptic board.
Let me know if you would like any further information on homeopathic medicine.
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Well you certainly don't look smart advocating homeopathy on a sceptic forum, I'll give you that. And you're right, health is important. That's why I use real medicine. That works.

I'll take some info, please.
 
Stereolab said:
Tell me something then--how come homeopathic medicine ALWAYS makes my colds go away?
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Because colds always go away, whatever medicine you do or do not take.

Rational thinkers should admit that the effectiveness of homeopathy has been proven time and time again.
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Rational thinkers know that the effectiveness of homeopathy has been disproven time and time again.
 
Stereolab said:
There is a ton of evidence that homeopathy is legitimate.
Rite Aid, Walgreens, and other drug stores carry homeopathic remedies because they WORK.
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No, they carry them because they SELL...and as long as those sales outstrip complaints, they'll probably keep selling them.

Stereolab said:
Tell me something then--how come homeopathic medicine ALWAYS makes my colds go away?
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Take your remedy and your cold will go away in 5-10 days...or...you can rest and drink plenty of fluids and your cold will go away in 5-10 days.

Rational thinkers should admit that the effectiveness of homeopathy has been proven time and time again.
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Rational thinkers should do no such thing in the absence of credible evidence.

Or else you and your family are at risk for so many different diseases that you refuse to treat.
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Refusing to treat disease your way is hardly the same thing as refusing to treat it at all.

Let me tell you--your own health should be more important than trying to look smart on a skeptic board.
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You're right...and it is. My health is also more important than buying into the homeopatic "medicine" offered by people who wouldn't know real medicine if it crawled up their colons and set off fireworks.

Let me know if you would like any further information on homeopathic medicine.
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Thanks, no. Been there, done that, got the bottle of water in which a homeopathic t-shirt was soaked.
 
PetersCreek said:
Thanks, no. Been there, done that, got the bottle of water in which a homeopathic t-shirt was soaked.
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Then I think you missed something in your "travels".
Read "Homeopathic Medicine At Home" -- it has four and a half stars on Amazon.
Only the very best books get that high a rating!
Let me guess--you're too closed-minded to even give it a try.
Labelling me as misinformed is more fun for you, I suppose.
 
If homeopathy worked even 1% as well as it's proponents claim it would make manufacturing medications only a fraction as expensive as it is now. You could make a tiny vial of your new wonder drug and dilute it a hundred times over and sell it. You could cut your prices by 90% and still multiply your profits by 10%

So basically to say homeopathy works you have to argue that the pharmaceutical industry has a crippling fear of success and money.
 
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Stereolab said:
Then I think you missed something in your "travels".
Read "Homeopathic Medicine At Home" -- it has four and a half stars on Amazon.
Only the very best books get that high a rating!
Let me guess--you're too closed-minded to even give it a try.
Labelling me as misinformed is more fun for you, I suppose.
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My god man, do you actually think how many stars a book has on amazon has anything to do with whether or not homeopathy works? That's utterly completely misguided illogical thinking.

The reason we use science to figure these things out is that people are incredibly good at fooling themselves. In science we try to bend over backwards to eliminate these biases and when you do that with homeopathy the effect turns out to be the same as placebo.

Not to mention that actual science understands enough about how the world works to know that there isn't even a mechanism for homeopathy to even work. In fact if that mechanism did work it would have completely bizarre implications (for example think about all of the things tap water is exposed to).

Basically homeopathy is complete and utter made up snake oil.
 
Stereolab said:
Then I think you missed something in your "travels".
Read "Homeopathic Medicine At Home" -- it has four and a half stars on Amazon.
Only the very best books get that high a rating!
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And McDonalds is quite a popular "restaurant" too.

Doesn't mean the food is any good.
Let me guess--you're too closed-minded to even give it a try.
Labelling me as misinformed is more fun for you, I suppose.
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Refer to Argumentum ad populumWP to see where you are going wrong with this line of thinking.
 
Stereolab said:
There is a ton of evidence that homeopathy is legitimate.
Rite Aid, Walgreens, and other drug stores carry homeopathic remedies because they WORK.
Over-the-counter homeopathic medicine works far better than anything a doctor can prescribe.
Laws such as the law of susceptibility and law of similars prove its effectiveness too.
Look them up!
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No, thanks. You look them up and provide some evidence.

Good luck in stormin' da castle.
 
Stereolab said:
Then I think you missed something in your "travels".
Read "Homeopathic Medicine At Home" -- it has four and a half stars on Amazon.
Only the very best books get that high a rating!
Let me guess--you're too closed-minded to even give it a try.
Labelling me as misinformed is more fun for you, I suppose.
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Homeopathy only has two things wrong with it:

1. No mechanism by which it COULD work
2. No evidence that it DOES work

Other than that, it's golden.
 
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