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Is homeopathy a sham?

Stereolab said:
There is a ton of evidence that homeopathy is legitimate.
Rite Aid, Walgreens, and other drug stores carry homeopathic remedies because they WORK.
Over-the-counter homeopathic medicine works far better than anything a doctor can prescribe.
Laws such as the law of susceptibility and law of similars prove its effectiveness too.
Look them up!
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You missed April Fool's day by at least 24 hours...
 
When I said dowsing was free, I meant you could do it yourself at least as well as someone who gets paid to do it. If this wasn't the case, if a professional dowser is better, then they are worth the money... but would it still be woo?
 
Pharmacies carry homeopathic drugs: not evidence that they work.
Homeopathic remedies better than prescription drugs: statement with no evidence.
Law of similars/succeptibility: do not prove homeopathy works. Don't even know if there's any evidence of them in the first place.

Bottom line is, homeopathy has been proven not to work and none of your points of "evidence" change that.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Pharmacies carry homeopathic drugs: not evidence that they work.
Homeopathic remedies better than prescription drugs: statement with no evidence.
Law of similars/succeptibility: do not prove homeopathy works. Don't even know if there's any evidence of them in the first place.

Bottom line is, homeopathy has been proven not to work and none of your points of "evidence" change that.
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Maybe it works for something we don't know about yet. I've noticed a distinct lack of ghosts lately.
 
marplots said:
When I said dowsing was free, I meant you could do it yourself at least as well as someone who gets paid to do it. If this wasn't the case, if a professional dowser is better, then they are worth the money... but would it still be woo?
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You can also give someone a glass of water just as well as someone who is paid for it.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Law of similars/succeptibility: do not prove homeopathy works. Don't even know if there's any evidence of them in the first place.
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Not only that, but homeopathy is based on refuted theories of disease based on "vital forces". If homeopathy was unlikely enough on its own, how much more so it must be if it's based on a false theory.
 
The problem, Malfie, is that there is absolutely no connection between the two parts. Consider: If the sky is blue my refrigerator is working properly.
 
mike3 said:
Not only that, but homeopathy is based on refuted theories of disease based on "vital forces". If homeopathy was unlikely enough on its own, how much more so it must be if it's based on a false theory.
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Homeopathy is a textbook example of fractal wrongness. It's just as wrong at every level you look at:
1. no active ingredient
2. water memory doesn't exist
3. even if it did exist, the method of "setting" it is arbitrary -- no explanation of why they use X dilution and shake Y times
4. even if it could be set, it would also set impurities in the water, like poop
5. pouring the water on pills or letting it bang around in a container should screw up the "remedy"
6. no evidence for "like cures like"
7. even if the whole thing somehow worked, "provings" are not valid tests for figuring out what cures what
8. based on symptoms instead of the source of illness and ignores the facts that different illnesses can cause the same symptoms
9. completely incompatible with the reality of germ theory

could go on and on and on... even if it was true at any level, it still fails at all the others.
 
SezMe said:
The problem, Malfie, is that there is absolutely no connection between the two parts. Consider: If the sky is blue my refrigerator is working properly.
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Apart from the fact they're both shams regarding magical properties of water, you mean. But your fridge sounds nice.
 
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Malfie Henpox said:
Apart from the fact they're both shams regarding magical properties of water, you mean ...
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Except for the fact that some dowsers find things beside (or, more correctly, in addition to) water. One of our resident witches dowses for gold (edge); Nasty Neil says he can find utility lines.

Malfie Henpox said:
.... But your fridge sounds nice.
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It is, thanks for the careful reading. I especially like the automatic ice maker. :)
 
SezMe said:
Except for the fact that some dowsers find things beside (or, more correctly, in addition to) water. One of our resident witches dowses for gold (edge); Nasty Neil says he can find utility lines.


It is, thanks for the careful reading. I especially like the automatic ice maker. :)
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Just because more crazy people claim you can find things other than water, it doesn't exclude the fact that dowsing is used to find water using its magic properties. Which is the connection with Homeopathy. Tenuous, maybe, but so is hoping to find water with a stick or cure cancer with water. ETA: Besides, my initial comment was facetious.

How does the ice stay icey overnight?
 
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Stereolab said:
There is a ton of evidence that homeopathy is legitimate.
Rite Aid, Walgreens, and other drug stores carry homeopathic remedies because they WORK.
Over-the-counter homeopathic medicine works far better than anything a doctor can prescribe.
Laws such as the law of susceptibility and law of similars prove its effectiveness too.
Look them up!
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1.Please point us to an ounce of evidence that homeopathy is legitimate.
2.Drug stores carry homeopathic remedies because they sell, not because they work.
3. Ha ha ha.
4. Ha ha ha ha.
5. Done
 
marplots said:
When I said dowsing was free, I meant you could do it yourself at least as well as someone who gets paid to do it.
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Exactly the same is true of homeopathy.
My daughter had a young friend whose pet sheep was mauled by a dog.
The vile homeopath provided a remedy and said they could refill the container from the tap when it was empty.
The poor sheep died a week later.
I have hated homeopaths ever since. Anyone with an ounce of decency would have quietly slit the sheep's throat.
 
marplots said:
When I said dowsing was free, I meant you could do it yourself at least as well as someone who gets paid to do it. If this wasn't the case, if a professional dowser is better, then they are worth the money... but would it still be woo?
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Yes. Main reason is because it doesn't work, but also that any theories on why it "does work" that is put forward by dowsers is woo.
 
Malfie Henpox said:
If you think I meant it, then pigs will fly.
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It seems you have a slight problem with the English language.
What you said was: 'if this is correct, then I apologise'
'It' was correct, so clearly you apologised.
And I , most graciously, accepted your apology.
 
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