Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say

[Jackanory]

Classified documents contradict FBI on post-9/11 probe of Saudis, ex-senator says
By Anthony Summers and Dan Christensen, Special to msnbc.com
March 13, 2012


Former New Jersey Gov. Thomas Kean, left, greets former Sen. Bob Graham in a Dec. 17, 2004 file photo. Graham, who co-chaired the joint congressional investigation of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, says the FBI did not inform his panel or a separate investigation co-chaired by Keane, about suspicious contacts between Saudi citizens living in Florida and some of the 9/11 hijackers.

Former Florida Sen. Bob Graham, who co-chaired Congress’ Joint Inquiry into the 9/11 terrorist attacks, has seen two classified FBI documents that he says are at odds with the bureau’s public statements that there was no connection between the hijackers and Saudis then living in Sarasota, Fla.

“There are significant inconsistencies between the public statements of the FBI in September and what I read in the classified documents,” Graham said.

“One document adds to the evidence that the investigation was not the robust inquiry claimed by the FBI,” Graham said. “An important investigative lead was not pursued and unsubstantiated statements were accepted as truth.”

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Nothing new then!

Get a life. Grow up. Get some in. Do a bit a travelling. See a bit.

Is there really anyone left who is under any illusion that the Middle East likes us westerners? The under current of this reality is a known and has been effectively managed for years. So what? Nothing new here......unless you are a gullible 12 year truther connecting the CT dots that produces a brontosaurus.

 

[shure]

Tell it to beachnut.

He thinks the Saudi's are our friends.

 

[Oystein]

Nothing new then!

Get a life. Grow up. Get some in. Do a bit a travelling. See a bit.

Is there really anyone left who is under any illusion that the Middle East likes us westerners? The under current of this reality is a known and has been effectively managed for years. So what? Nothing new here......unless you are a gullible 12 year truther connecting the CT dots that produces a brontosaurus.

I disagree strongly with your outburst.

This thread may be the ONLY current thread in this subforum which has a potential to bring to light something that is new, factual and relevant.
It may not be a lot, and it may not be terribly interesting to you, but it is much more interesting and relevant to grander scheme of things than, for example, figuring out which dust chips can be identified as which paint.

I for one AM interested in how the actual relationship between the USA and Saudi Arabia (bewteen S.A. and alll their oil customers, really) are handled. Because it is, after all, obvious that there must be some links to 9/11 in Saudi Arabia of which we know nothing, or only details, and I am rather sure that Graham is not making this stuff totally up. So how did the secret services really deal with such things? If you are complacent enough to never question what your secret services do with your tax dollars, you are not forced to inquire. I find it interesting

 

[Jackanory]

Tell it to beachnut.

He thinks the Saudi's are our friends.

I think you got Beachnut's stance mixed up. Take his advice and read the document that you quote from.

Friends with benefits only. Managed benefits. Get a grip man.

 

[Oystein]

Tell it to beachnut.

He thinks the Saudi's are our friends.

Hmm do you think there is such an entity as "The Saudis" which includes all Saudis, or do you assert that beachnut implies that there is such an entity as "The Saudis" which includes all Saudis?

Because I am pretty sure there are various factions inside Saudi Arabia. Some are genuinly our friends. Some are genuinly our foes. Some are religious whackjobs but sit on the oil we want to buy so we treat them friendly. One of them is King. He has a lot of relatives. Some of them support the oil business and are nice to us. Some support islamist terrorists and are bad to us. Some may support the oil business and terrorists. Some are targets of domestic terrorists.


So if we find that certain Saudi nationals resided in the USA, supported some of the 19 hijackers, and hurridly moved back to S.A., then these individuals may be friends or foes of the King. Do they belong to "The Saudis" that you have in mind, or "The Saudis" that beachnut has in mind? Or don't you know?

What happened to them after they returned to Saudi Arabia? Does Sen. Graham know?

 

[Jackanory]

I disagree strongly with your outburst.

This thread may be the ONLY current thread in this subforum which has a potential to bring to light something that is new, factual and relevant.
It may not be a lot, and it may not be terribly interesting to you, but it is much more interesting and relevant to grander scheme of things than, for example, figuring out which dust chips can be identified as which paint.

I for one AM interested in how the actual relationship between the USA and Saudi Arabia (bewteen S.A. and alll their oil customers, really) are handled. Because it is, after all, obvious that there must be some links to 9/11 in Saudi Arabia of which we know nothing, or only details, and I am rather sure that Graham is not making this stuff totally up. So how did the secret services really deal with such things? If you are complacent enough to never question what your secret services do with your tax dollars, you are not forced to inquire. I find it interesting

Outburst? What is it that you disagree with?

Nothing new about Saudi involvement whatsoever. How many of the 19 terrorists on 911 where Saudi's?

How many insurgents/terrorists around the world, including in Iraq and Afganistan, are Saudi'? Plenty. Band of brothers for their cause. I have personally met a few. Have you?

Your guess is as good as mine as to how the 'secret service' deals with it but I can assure you that the military are fully aware of it and are quite open at how they deal with it.

Are Saudi's involved in terrorist acts around the world.......absolutely. Are elements of the Saudi government involved? We may never know.....friends with benefits.

 

[Oystein]

...
Your guess is as good as mine as to how the 'secret service' deals with it but I can assure you that the military are fully aware of it and are quite open at how they deal with it.

Are Saudi's involved in terrorist acts around the world.......absolutely. Are elements of the Saudi government involved? We may never know.....friends with benefits.

Yeah that's what I meant. You are happy to be complacent and not be curious about such secret dealings, I am not. This "we may never know" triggers, in some people, fatalism, in others curiosity. Why does the sun shine? We may never know. It's nice to us, so why bother? Is global warmig good or bad? We may never know. Let's not try and find out. I like warm weather

 

[Jackanory]

Yeah that's what I meant. You are happy to be complacent and not be curious about such secret dealings, I am not. This "we may never know" triggers, in some people, fatalism, in others curiosity. Why does the sun shine? We may never know. It's nice to us, so why bother? Is global warmig good or bad? We may never know. Let's not try and find out. I like warm weather

What gives you the right to call me complacent and not being intrested in 'secret dealings'? Where did I say that I wasn't 'curious'? Re read what I actually said. I'm a little long in the tooth to be nieve on the Middle East, hence my repeated 'friends with benefits' remarks. It's called sarcasm my friend. Interpret what you wish.

Interesting that I have actually been to these places and met some of these people in not so friendly circumstance and I am accused of being 'complacent' yet you can sit on an obscure forum without any first hand knowledge of these people and pass judgement simply because you 'think' you can comprehend what was actually said. Cool.

I think you will find that we are actually in agreement but no worries.

 

[shure]

Hmm do you think there is such an entity as "The Saudis" which includes all Saudis, or do you assert that beachnut implies that there is such an entity as "The Saudis" which includes all Saudis?

I think the people of Saudi Arabia are oppressed by the "House of Saud" who are mostly just greedy corrupt criminals. I think that a warped interpretation which is called Wahhabi/Salafi is taught to children in those madrasses where they bob their little heads back and forth and become crazy jihadis is our problem. This belief is funded and spread mostly by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and more than ever before, Pakistan.

The jihadis directed their attention to the USA, Canada, Europe, etc... who have been propping up these dictitorial powers throughout the middle east while the people suffer.

I think those guys did 9/11 to get us to take notice of our foreign policies, but that was part of what was covered up by the Bush administration. They did hate us, but the didn't hate us for our freedoms.

Ten years later, after everything thats been going on over there, thanks to the lies of the Bush administartion, we will actually have a jihadi problem they said we had right after 9/11.

 

[beachnut]

I think the people of Saudi Arabia are oppressed by the "House of Saud" who are mostly just greedy corrupt criminals. I think that a warped interpretation which is called Wahhabi/Salafi is taught to children in those madrasses where they bob their little heads back and forth and become crazy jihadis is our problem. This belief is funded and spread mostly by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and more than ever before, Pakistan.

The jihadis directed their attention to the USA, Canada, Europe, etc... who have been propping up these dictitorial powers throughout the middle east while the people suffer.

I think those guys did 9/11 to get us to take notice of our foreign policies, but that was part of what was covered up by the Bush administration. They did hate us, but the didn't hate us for our freedoms.

Ten years later, after everything thats been going on over there, thanks to the lies of the Bush administartion, we will actually have a jihadi problem they said we had right after 9/11.

You think? You suspect.
Oppressed? How? lol, have you been to Saudi Arabia? Lived there? You are moving from one CT to another. Have you closed out the Cheney said shoot down means stand down delusion?

The 15 Saudis were spoiled, they had too much time on their hands. They decided for adventure, something to do, and join a failure, UBL. Like 911 truthers, they chose poorly.

Please explain how the Saudi People are oppressed by the royal family. Sources. You realize they are an Islamic nation, where the holy man rules their daily life with a stick? Have you walked in the cities? Did you see the oppression? Is the oppression because they don't have to wear seat-belts? What is it? Wait, let me help you... Nurses, trained in the west, Saudi nurses, decided they should be able to drive cars, they went to jail. Oppressed Nurses make the Saudis want to jihad against the west? I got some more, from being there. The Saudi men hold hands, a sign of friendship, is that oppression?

 

[shure]

You think? You suspect.
Oppressed? How? lol, have you been to Saudi Arabia? Lived there? You are moving from one CT to another. Have you closed out the Cheney said shoot down means stand down delusion?

Dick Cheney cancels Toronto visit over security concerns
The Canadian Press Posted: Mar 12, 2012 4:51 PM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/03/12/toronto-dick-cheney-cancels-visit.html

The 15 Saudis were spoiled, they had too much time on their hands. They decided for adventure, something to do, and join a failure, UBL. Like 911 truthers, they chose poorly.

Please explain how the Saudi People are oppressed by the royal family. Sources. You realize they are an Islamic nation, where the holy man rules their daily life with a stick? Have you walked in the cities? Did you see the oppression? Is the oppression because they don't have to wear seat-belts? What is it? Wait, let me help you... Nurses, trained in the west, Saudi nurses, decided they should be able to drive cars, they went to jail. Oppressed Nurses make the Saudis want to jihad against the west? I got some more, from being there. The Saudi men hold hands, a sign of friendship, is that oppression?

Saudis to go on hunger strike against activist detention
JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia | Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:13am EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/12/us-saudi-strike-idUSBRE82B0NW20120312

Saudi Arabia: At least six men held for a year for intending to protest
9 March 2012
http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media...ix-men-held-year-intending-protest-2012-03-09

UAE arrests pro-democracy activist after tweet
Tuesday, March 6, 2012
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/uae-arrests-pro-democracy-activist-after-tweetPublished


Picture from Bahrain, March 6, 2012:
http://yfrog.com/odp3dsfj




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[000063]

I think the people of Saudi Arabia are oppressed by the "House of Saud" who are mostly just greedy corrupt criminals. I think that a warped interpretation which is called Wahhabi/Salafi is taught to children in those madrasses where they bob their little heads back and forth and become crazy jihadis is our problem. This belief is funded and spread mostly by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and more than ever before, Pakistan.

The jihadis directed their attention to the USA, Canada, Europe, etc... who have been propping up these dictitorial powers throughout the middle east while the people suffer.

I think those guys did 9/11 to get us to take notice of our foreign policies, but that was part of what was covered up by the Bush administration. They did hate us, but the didn't hate us for our freedoms.

Ten years later, after everything thats been going on over there, thanks to the lies of the Bush administartion, we will actually have a jihadi problem they said we had right after 9/11.

I'm betting you've never seen the full quote.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2011/07/about-they-hate-our-freedoms.html

Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.

The very freedoms you enjoy right now, in fact.

 

[carlitos]

I think those guys did 9/11 to get us to take notice of our foreign policies, but that was part of what was covered up by the Bush administration.

Specifically, the reasons given by Bin Laden were:

• US support for Israel
• Sanctions against Iraq
• US troops in the holy land (Saudi Arabia)

The Bush Administration covered this up? How do we all know it then?

 

[shure]

Specifically, the reasons given by Bin Laden were:

• US support for Israel
• Sanctions against Iraq
• US troops in the holy land (Saudi Arabia)

The Bush Administration covered this up? How do we all know it then?

[*]The US's unqualified support for the Israel regimes foreing policy towards the oppression of the Palestinians


[*] The propping up of proxy dictators who are supressing the people all around the middle east.


[*] The presence of US military in "holy land" and the corrupt dealings of western criminal interests with the criminal house of Saud.


The majority of the American public does NOT know!!!

Just look at the debates when foreign policy is discussed... the thing Ron Paul is most accurate on, and I'm not really a big fan of the guy, is this foreign policy issue.

Paul gets booed when he speaks about it, and the media says that is his Achilles heel with the voters.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Sorry if this has been mentioned, I haven't bothered to read the articles, but exactly what is being alleged? I can draw a "direct line" between any two things. That in itself means nothing at all. Weren't most of the 9/11 terrorists actually Saudi nationals? Again, so what?

 

[carlitos]

[*]The US's unqualified support for the Israel regimes foreing policy towards the oppression of the Palestinians

Oppressing the Palestinians isn't foreign policy, it's domestic policy. But I'll give you that one.

My Muslim Brothers (particularly those of the Arab Peninsula): The money you pay to buy American goods will be transformed into bullets and used against our brothers in Palestine and tomorrow (future) against our sons in the land of the two Holy places. By buying these goods we are strengthening their economy while our dispossession and poverty increases.

Muslims Brothers of land of the two Holy Places:

It is incredible that our country is the world largest buyer of arms from the USA and the area biggest commercial partners of the Americans who are assisting their Zionist brothers in occupying Palestine and in evicting and killing the Muslims there, by providing arms, men and financial supports.

[*] The propping up of proxy dictators who are supressing the people all around the middle east.

I didn't see Al Qaeda commenting on that anywhere before 9/11. Do you have a source? My impression was that he was shooting for the job of head dictator, along with Al Zawahiri, of the reunited ummah. It's not like he wanted to bring democracy to these people, he wanted islamic law.

[*] The presence of US military in "holy land" and the corrupt dealings of western criminal interests with the criminal house of Saud.

Here's the Fatwa from Bin Laden, 1996 edition. He did not mention the "criminal house of Saud," he just bitched about them allowing "American and Israeli" occupation of the holy land. He wanted to "expel the polytheists" from Saudi and Palestine etc. He was definitely not complaining about Saudi oppression of their people, only their military cooperation with the US against Iraq and such.

The majority of the American public does NOT know!!!

Yes, you (and Ron Paul) have special knowledge that they don't want us to know about. We've heard this before. It's a component of some personality disorders, but thankfully it's not generally true, whether it's you, Scientologists, homeopaths, UFO people, etc.

Just look at the debates when foreign policy is discussed... the thing Ron Paul is most accurate on, and I'm not really a big fan of the guy, is this foreign policy issue.

I like having Paul in the debates as he expands the conversation on foreign policy and drug policy.

Paul gets booed when he speaks about it, and the media says that is his Achilles heel with the voters.

Meh. He has a lot of achilles heels, and the media treatment isn't really one of them. He gets way more media than he deserves, not having a snowball's chance in hell of winning even one state.

 

[beachnut]

Dick Cheney cancels Toronto visit over security concerns
The Canadian Press Posted: Mar 12, 2012 4:51 PM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/03/12/toronto-dick-cheney-cancels-visit.html


...
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So you stand behind your fantasy, "Cheney said shoot down, means stand-down", woo?


Wow, your long list of oppressed Saudis proves?

Saudis in jail - 110 per 100,000 (Islamic thing?)
US in jail - 715 per 100,000 (Puritan thing?)
Canada - 116 per 100,000 (a drug law thing?)

Looks like not enforcing or having a seat belt law is ... lol

woo time starts NOW! Go

 

[shure]

Carlitos,

Osama Bin Laden was a criminal that used real issues to win hearts and minds of the ignorant masses over to his twisted jihadi crusade.

 

[shure]

So you stand behind your fantasy, "Cheney said shoot down, means stand-down", woo?


Wow, your long list of oppressed Saudis proves?

Saudis in jail - 110 per 100,000 (Islamic thing?)
US in jail - 715 per 100,000 (Puritan thing?)
Canada - 116 per 100,000 (a drug law thing?)

Looks like not enforcing or having a seat belt law is ... lol

woo time starts NOW! Go

Like John O'Neill said to Louie Freeh...

You're just getting smoke blown up your a$z!

 

[Brainster]

Specifically, the reasons given by Bin Laden were:

• US support for Israel
• Sanctions against Iraq
• US troops in the holy land (Saudi Arabia)

I would just point out that in the fatwa, the order of those grievances was reversed; US troops in Saudi Arabia was #1 on the list.